Funnest/Most Effective Jungler

[quote=PsiGuard][quote=Ruin Sage] As several of me and my friends have proven, you can jungle with just about anyone with a heal or a heavy AOE ability. [/quote] Doesn't mean you should. Most champions perform better in lane, and some are just way too vulnerable to counter-jungling. Generally you'll also need a good ganking tool, which isn't something that every champion has. [quote=Ruin Sage] I use Jarvan a lot and he is VERY effective. [/quote] Jarvan has been nerfed into the ground. He's not horrible, but there are so many better picks now that he's extremely underplayed. I rarely see him anymore, and when I do, he's usually solo top. [quote=Ruin Sage] My friend jungles with Kassadin, but I don't recommend that for the feint of heart. [/quote] Bad idea. Having blue buff is great, but any jungler with any sense would completely shut him down. He's way too easy to counter jungle, and is better off in mid. [quote=Ruin Sage] Irelia is another of my favorites, with her Hiten Style, she can survive any jungle after the first circuit. [/quote] Irelia is 100x better in solo top lane. Sure, she has some lifesteal for jungling, but her survivability, her sustain, her last-hitting and her 1v1 potential make her a great pick for solo top. Her jungling capabilities are pale by comparison, and most other junglers do what she does, but better. [quote=Ruin Sage] Nasus is another great one, his natural life steal makes it quite easy. [/quote] He CAN jungle, but he's generally better farming his Q in solo top. If you really want to, Nasus isn't too bad of a jungler. [quote=Ruin Sage] My only difference in set up for Trundle is to take AS Blues. I have never purchased AD runes of any kind, and I succeed quite well! [/quote] AS blues are absolutely terrible. The only reason they're used on junglers is because glyphs are almost always completely optional. I'd highly recommend [[Greater Glyph of Shielding]] instead, as Trundle is a fantastic offtank. With his auto-attack reset on his Q, Trundle hardly needs the AS anyways. Any jungler that really depends on AS (like Warwick or Cho'Gath) will get AS reds instead, which are much stronger. And AD runes aren't necessary to jungle Trundle, but they help a lot. I'd recommend 3 [[Greater Quintessence of Strength]], as they're quite strong compared to most quints. Arpen reds is fine.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]I'm actually not completely convinced Irelia in jungle is worse than irelia in lane.[/quote]

[quote=Icuonuez]I've jungled with Irelia. Not only is it quite difficult to keep her sustained, But her ganks aren't just amazing. It's possible, but not the best way to play Irelia.[/quote]

[quote=LameoGamer]I've seen a jungle Ashe before, so it's true that really ANYONE can jungle... Tho not effectively. Most fun jungle, I'd say is maybe Shaco. But that's just I like it when people invade my jungle and run into boxes. :D More viable, I'd say is Fiddlesticks as a CAWCAWCAW gank puts a damper on anyone's day. Udyr's pretty fun too.[/quote]

[quote=Ruin Sage][quote=PsiGuard] Doesn't mean you should. Most champions perform better in lane, and some are just way too vulnerable to counter-jungling. Generally you'll also need a good ganking tool, which isn't something that every champion has. [/quote] I never said you should, I said can. I find that a lot of time, champions can be better in lane or jungle based on your play style with them. Also- you don't need a gank tool, provided that the lane you are ganking has plenty of CC and you just need to provide a bunch of damage. Those have to be VERY coordinated though. [quote=PsiGuard] Jarvan has been nerfed into the ground. He's not horrible, but there are so many better picks now that he's extremely underplayed. I rarely see him anymore, and when I do, he's usually solo top. [/quote] I picked up Jarvan after all the nerfs and he still does wonderful for me. Just because you haven't seen a good player doesn't mean he can't be played well. He is fantastic as an offtank, and his ganks are strong from his knock-up and cataclysm. [quote=PsiGuard] Bad idea. Having blue buff is great, but any jungler with any sense would completely shut him down. He's way too easy to counter jungle, and is better off in mid. [/quote] I never said it was a good idea, it was just an example. Also- he plays Kassadin AS more than anything, so it is actually quite effective. I have seen him do some crazy things! [quote=PsiGuard] Irelia is 100x better in solo top lane. Sure, she has some lifesteal for jungling, but her survivability, her sustain, her last-hitting and her 1v1 potential make her a great pick for solo top. Her jungling capabilities are pale by comparison, and most other junglers do what she does, but better. [/quote] Irelia has great ability to last hit, true, but I disagree with Icuonuez as she has great ganks. The jungle keeps her at lower health, so her slow is almost always a full stun. Her sustain is good, if you know what you are doing. She does have good 1v1, but IMO, she should be running around killing people. [quote=PsiGuard] He CAN jungle, but he's generally better farming his Q in solo top. If you really want to, Nasus isn't too bad of a jungler. [/quote] I jungle with Nasus just because it is so easy to farm up Q. You never have to miss a last hit because of creeps or from someone else. I don't like him in a solo lane because he has zero range. Just my opinion. His ganks are strong too because he has a massive slow. [quote=PsiGuard] AS blues are absolutely terrible. The only reason they're used on junglers is because glyphs are almost always completely optional. I'd highly recommend [[Greater Glyph of Shielding]] instead, as Trundle is a fantastic offtank. With his auto-attack reset on his Q, Trundle hardly needs the AS anyways. Any jungler that really depends on AS (like Warwick or Cho'Gath) will get AS reds instead, which are much stronger. [/quote] I do play him offtank, and have never needed anything but AS to help with the early game. I didn't say I took them on just him though, I run those with all my junglers but Fiddlesticks. If you are good enough at farming and getting the ganks down, the AS will help you through the jungle faster and you will be able to farm up the MR through your offtank items. [quote=PsiGuard] And AD runes aren't necessary to jungle Trundle, but they help a lot. I'd recommend 3 [[Greater Quintessence of Strength]], as they're quite strong compared to most quints. Arpen reds is fine. [/quote] I have never needed them, like I said. I never said they were a bad idea though. I prefer the ArPen ones though for damaging champions. I never said they were all the best choices, I was just saying that you can jungle with a whole bunch of people- you don't have to go with normal conventions. I was also just going over people who hadn't been addressed earlier. :)[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]I dunno mate. I've jungled Irelia with a Doran's blade and cleared wolves/wraiths/golems with ease. :P That's like zero sustain in items.[/quote]

[quote=Xenasis]I need to try out that speculated "Jungle TF" that WE were rumoured to play, lol[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=Ruin Sage] I jungle with Nasus just because it is so easy to farm up Q. You never have to miss a last hit because of creeps or from someone else. I don't like him in a solo lane because he has zero range. Just my opinion. His ganks are strong too because he has a massive slow. [/quote] Finally someone else who understands me![/quote]

[quote=mastajdog]try cho, with his 3 aoe spells and passive works well, nasus passive lifsteal, and both him and sion have done it to rack up [[enrage]] and [[siphoning strike]] making them bosses end game... or nunu....[/quote]

[quote=OMG its Taly]Fiddle is no fun at all. Phoenix Udyr and Noct rule :D[/quote]