Warmogs on Vladimir?

[quote=DEWO]This was kinda working long time ago. Now his ratios are crappy and with this build you will be rather annoying fly than caster. You need AP to deal damage 195 in endgame is not enaugh for him since his rations arent THAT great. You will get more than enaugh HP from AP items, and you could focus a bit more on armor/mres insteadf of pure HP and HP regen if you want to be more tanky. My opinion ofc.[/quote]

[quote=alyzar][quote=DEWO] This was kinda working long time ago. Now his ratios are crappy and with this build you will be rather annoying fly than caster. You need AP to deal damage 195 in endgame is not enaugh for him since his rations arent THAT great. You will get more than enaugh HP from AP items, and you could focus a bit more on armor/mres insteadf of pure HP and HP regen if you want to be more tanky. My opinion ofc. [/quote] Idk. It's worked better for me than AP Vladimir, probably because I don't play it like AP vladimir. I go top and farm for a while and can usually 1v1 my opponent out of the way and once teamfights roll around I focus on getting the best positioning on my ult and then using sanguine pool. He does awesome AoE damage and his mid-game is a lot better then it would be if he went AP. Trying to compare AP vladimir to warmogs vladimir is kinda silly anyway. It's like comparing AP Tristana to DPS tristana.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing][quote=alyzar] Idk. It's worked better for me than AP Vladimir, probably because I don't play it like AP vladimir. I go top and farm for a while and can usually 1v1 my opponent out of the way and once teamfights roll around I focus on getting the best positioning on my ult and then using sanguine pool. He does awesome AoE damage and his mid-game is a lot better then it would be if he went AP. Trying to compare AP vladimir to warmogs vladimir is kinda silly anyway. It's like comparing AP Tristana to DPS tristana. [/quote] Please don't compare it to AP Tristana and AD Tristana. AP Tristana is for pubstomping. AD Tristana outplays AP in so many aspects... If you're comparing that with Vladimir, you're saying your own method is for pubstomping, too, which in a sense is. Stacking health won't work with Vlad, because technically you won't be doing anything in a teamfight. In a standard game where you aren't raping / overfarmed and the enemy isn't raping and they know what they're building, then this won't get you anywhere. You'll have no armor to counter AD champs at all. They'll be critting you for near 800's. You'll be doing near no damage to them, because a Banshee's MR can probably negate your damage. And Ignite kills, too. This way certainly works - everything works. It's just that playing him as an AP caster is tons more efficient than playing him like this - Decent CDR, stacked health, no MagPen besides from masteries and runes, and little to none AP. You'll only be doing 100~200 damage to any normal champ with MR. If you really don't get my point, just look at Mundo. He's useless if built full tank. Ignite kills his ult. All he does in a teamfight is cleaver, which is useless because MR counters it.[/quote]

[quote=alyzar][quote] Please don't compare it to AP Tristana and AD Tristana. AP Tristana is for pubstomping. AD Tristana outplays AP in so many aspects... If you're comparing that with Vladimir, you're saying your own method is for pubstomping, too, which in a sense is. [/quote] AP Tristana has been proven to work in mid ELO ranked, so calling her a pub stomper is pretty invalid, but I guess you're entitled to your opinion. [quote] Stacking health won't work with Vlad, because technically you won't be doing anything in a teamfight. In a standard game where you aren't raping / overfarmed and the enemy isn't raping and they know what they're building, then this won't get you anywhere. You'll have no armor to counter AD champs at all. They'll be critting you for near 800's. You'll be doing near no damage to them, because a Banshee's MR can probably negate your damage. And Ignite kills, too. [/quote] Technically, Warmog Vlad brings more to a team fight then AP Vlad does. I've already explained this, but i suppose I'll explain it again. My vladimir build gets 40% CDR. This means that I can pool every five seconds. This means that I do over 1000 damage every 5 seconds, in a pool, in which I heal myself. Vladimir with warmogs is meant to be a hybrid between AoE caster and team-wide support. He works best in AoE centric teams because his innate tankiness allows for him to place his ultimate easily. That, on top of his high damage pool, means he utilizes his ultimate well and slow everyone so people like fiddlesticks and brand can maximize their ultimate potential while dishing out damage himself. It's not difficult to get free farmed as Vladimir. If you go top, and take teleport, you can free farm very easily. He has amazing sustainability, an amazing escape mechanism, and amazing last hitting ability. Also, what kind of AD carry crits for 800 without being extremely fed / farmed? On top of that, how does ignite kill me? It's arguable that ignite is better against AP Vlad then it is against HP vlad because AP Vlad is reliant on spell vamp to survive. What are you talking about? [quote] This way certainly works - everything works. It's just that playing him as an AP caster is tons more efficient than playing him like this - Decent CDR, stacked health, no MagPen besides from masteries and runes, and little to none AP. You'll only be doing 100~200 damage to any normal champ with MR. [/quote] His sanguine pool scales off of HP? How am I doing 100-200 damage to any normal champ? His pool does over 1k damage, and is on a five second Cooldown. Are you implying that normal champs have 90% MR? :P On top of that, you obviously didn't read my post, as I stated that I go full magic penetration runes.[/quote]

[quote=BusDriver210]I agree with Alyzar. Warmog's Vlad offers a team more than AP Vlad can at this moment in time. Focusing on survival/CDR is an easy build and when your laning with Vlad farm shouldn't be that big of an issue. I wouldn't mind a offtank Vlad on my team. Maybe solo top to counter the AD bruiser?[/quote]

[quote=alyzar]Omg someone agrees with me. Hell has frozen over.[/quote]

[quote=GrimmFate][quote=BusDriver210] Warmog's Vlad offers a team more than AP Vlad can at this moment in time [/quote] No. lol. Also your pools damage is based off your bonus hp, not your total hp. And while this build does give you a LITTLE AP, which gives you LITTLE Bonus health it isn't nearly as effective as building him pure AP.[/quote]

[quote=BusDriver210]In teamfights I have to argue for Warmog's Vlad man. Vlad never scares me, ever. I mean hes useful in the lane because he can harass and heal, but seriously when have you ever been scared of a Vlad that wasn't crazy fed? Take a minute, I can wait.[/quote]

[quote=GrimmFate]I'm sorry argue what for warmogs? You have about 2k more hp than a Vlad that builds AP, with none of the resistances/power behind ALL of your moves. There's just no point in stacking warmogs. Vlad doesn't need to be "crazy fed" to scare people. an AP vlad fed or not 1v1 will rape you. and in the teamfight if you don't focus him first you're gonna get hurt real bad. What's a warmog's vlad gonna do? We can just ignore him until we killed the actual carries in your team.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=alyzar] Eh. I think people give those items too much credit. [/quote] Oh my God do they ever. Also, less than 200 AP Vlad makes me feel like I need to visit the Doctor.[/quote]