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[quote=Pølsemanden][quote=Lugignaf] [quote=Pølsemanden] Against a sona or soraka support, AD marks better against player. Against ad carry with armour seals, AD marks are better. Against a ad-carry without any armour+whatsoever, early armourpen is better. [/quote] Shouldn't that be the other way around? [/quote] why would that be?[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=Pølsemanden] Against a sona or soraka support, AD marks better against player. [/quote] ArP is better here because the heals both give armor buffs. Stronger poke past the armor. [quote=Pølsemanden] Against ad carry with armour seals, AD marks are better. [/quote] Same reason. More poke past the armor. [quote=Pølsemanden] Against a ad-carry without any armour+whatsoever, early armourpen is better. But i myself run armour yellows on ad carries(might throw in a mana seal or 2 if i'm playing very offensive) [/quote] If they don't have armor, your armor pen, unless you make them sit at 0, is just going to give you small increases over skills that scale with AD from marks.[/quote]

[quote=Phoenix0000ff]There are many cases especially in the area of low damage output where AD marks scale better against higher armor, I don't believe that ArP can be considered truly better in every circumstance anymore. Armor pen reducing people to very low or even 0 armor does raise the most damage for armor pen The problem is the 10% armor pen mastery you get. It often pushes the % reduction between ArP and AD so close that the 8.5 damage exceeds the 1-5% reduction of given starting damage. If anything it would be safe to assume that at worst you'll only be doing about 2-4 less damage at anytime with an inferior setup for the circumstance early / mid game.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Phoenix0000ff] If anything it would be safe to assume that at worst you'll only be doing about 2-4 less damage at anytime with an inferior setup for the circumstance early / mid game. [/quote] An dats the truth of it.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]Oh my god.. WTF So much fail in this thread, I don't even... 1. Most of the math in this thread is wrong (some number somewhere is wrong and that makes the rest of the equation wrong). Read my graph thread (stickied) for some graphs and info about how to make more specific ones. There's a comparison of all runes there, without masteries, but that won't make a big difference. 2. [b]Why is no one saying that AD/lvl marks are shit?[/b].. 3. Wtf winter...[/quote]

[quote=Wintermond][quote=Searz] 3. Wtf winter... [/quote] Opinions might differ.[/quote]

[quote=Capn_Evan]As said earlier, AD/level marks are good if you have a good scaling on your AD skills, but low base damage, and armor penetration is better if you have poor scaling, but high base damage. Lets for example take Talon's Noxian Diplomacy: - 150 base damage at level 5 - 0,3 scaling per bonus AD - Does physical damage Compared to Pantheon's Spear shot: - 225 base damage at level 5 - 1,4 scaling per bonus AD - Does physical damage Okay, the latter one is better altogether, but you see my point. AD/level is definitely better on Pantheon than Talon (this is only for skill damage, basic attack is another story entirely). Think about it, AD is great if your skills scale better with AD, and armor penetration is best with higher base damage, but lower scaling.[/quote]

[quote=sakil7395][quote=Searz] Oh my god.. WTF So much fail in this thread, I don't even... 1. Most of the math in this thread is wrong (some number somewhere is wrong and that makes the rest of the equation wrong). Read my graph thread (stickied) for some graphs and info about how to make more specific ones. There's a comparison of all runes there, without masteries, but that won't make a big difference. 2. [b]Why is no one saying that AD/lvl marks are shit?[/b].. 3. Wtf winter... [/quote] Thanks for your graphs I think I'm gonna stick with Armour Pen marks[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][quote=Searz] 2. [b]Why is no one saying that AD/lvl marks are shit?[/b].. [/quote] I think everyone just kind of ignored that and moved on to discussing flat AD marks instead :D[/quote]

[quote=example1013][quote=Capn_Evan] As said earlier, AD/level marks are good if you have a good scaling on your AD skills, but low base damage, and armor penetration is better if you have poor scaling, but high base damage. Lets for example take Talon's Noxian Diplomacy: - 150 base damage at level 5 - 0,3 scaling per bonus AD - Does physical damage Compared to Pantheon's Spear shot: - 225 base damage at level 5 - 1,4 scaling per bonus AD - Does physical damage Okay, the latter one is better altogether, but you see my point. AD/level is definitely better on Pantheon than Talon (this is only for skill damage, basic attack is another story entirely). Think about it, AD is great if your skills scale better with AD, and armor penetration is best with higher base damage, but lower scaling. [/quote] And then you look at flat AD marks and realize scaling is useless by the time they get big.[/quote]