[Host Feedback] - Barbarian J

[quote=Wayne3100]I know that...... >.> What I mean is, if you want to look at someone's elo/MMR to balance, you look at Division and points. That is also what LKS is based on, so it's the same thing. You can't see someone's hidden matchmaking rating, so this is what you go by. Might as well just call it elo then :P[/quote]

[quote=Wayne3100]That was my point........................................................................[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje]Well then make your point, instead of saying vague stuff >.< I mean, ELO = MMR and not ELO = divisions/tiers w/e not going to bitch around - I agree with your point then ^^ Edit: haha I actually misread a part :\ awkward[/quote]

[quote=Aseafy]Lolking score isn't that accurate based on elo because it actually bases it off of points and division slightly. So to those platinum people who are actually in silver elo, lolking score will show platinumish lks[/quote]

[quote=Wayne3100]This exact issue is what makes balancing hard. Someone's elo is not always accurate, someone who doesn't play a lot but has played many normals can be very good but can also be a casual player who isn't the greatest. In the end you go by what you know, eventually all the hosts will have an idea of how good certain inhouse regulars are.[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje]IMO normal players will never be as good as people who play ranked frequently, simply because the meta is like nonexistent. People just try out stuff and normally they don't really try their hardest. Personally I think that if someone has not played ranked at all, you could consider him to be top-silver at best.[/quote]

[quote=BarbJ]Because [i]everyone[/i] is [i]always[/i] trying their hardest and picking [i]the most legit[/i] champions in every inhouse game. The meta in inhouses isn't the same meta that people experience in platinum league. I've played a great deal against AP Tristana in normal games, and I'm familiar with it. That's not really a typical thing in ranked. But it's in the inhouse. In this case, I would be more experienced with the inhouse meta than you are. We've been over this countless times before: wins don't mean a whole lot, neither does ELO (LKS or ELO from Season 2, or Tier / Divison). I could have 0 normal wins but tons of co-op games. I've beaten people with hundreds of wins above me in normal games. I could have thousands of normal games and no ranked wins, and lose to someone with only a few hundred wins because they have a better grasp due to their ranked plays. Or someone who's random and unpredictable can sneak up on you.[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje]Of course, but you should realize that the difference between silver and platinum, as an example, is mainly decision making over mechanical skill. (Decision making will always be a huge factor in this game and LoL is even more reliant on this when compared to DotA - where mechanics are more important) This is actually what normal/low-tier players lack. I often find myself losing my lane to silver players when I'm playing casually, but when lane phase ends, they will start making mistakes, easy as that. Look, nearly everyone can beat anyone once upon a time - but overall a platinum player will win about 90% against silver players (I can tell this pretty accurately through my mentoring stuff)[/quote]

[quote=BarbJ][quote=BarbJ] Will try to balance more for elo as first priority instead of wins next time, can see how that goes. [/quote] /conversation?[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje][quote=BarbJ] [quote=BarbJ] Will try to balance more for elo as first priority instead of wins next time, can see how that goes. [/quote] /conversation? [/quote] Well my response was mainly aimed at how to rate people who only play normal - and my explanation for it[/quote]