Racism

[quote=Meiyjhe][quote=Darcurse] You do too, actually: You tell me you draw assumptions from the video in any way? They're ofc positive, since the video was made in favor of those experiments and how the ppl in it would react to it. It's simple: One person states that there's this one emotion/feeling totally fixed in EVERY human's mind, something that is more fickle than anything will know. I state, for myself at least, that this is a lie. That I'm not even in the slightest way having that emotion. I could be lying of course, but except for her, I wouldn't do it on a completely groundless basis. [/quote]Well, the video also showed plenty of people that were against the experiment. The guy that walked away early, the woman that absolutely hated the experiment and the bitch being... you know... a bitch. They weren't creating favors at all. Never did they claim that what the bitch said is the one and only truth. The psychologists just observed, predicted what would happen and explained why things happened. To go further on whether the experiment is real or not, the observations seem very realistic. I have seen people act like brown-eyed or blue-eyed a lot of times in a lot of different communities. When people feel they are superior, they tend to downtalk the rest. If people feel very uncomfortable, then they try to get themselves out of that situation with any argument they can come up with, no matter how stupid. If the brown eyed woman at the end didn't ruin the test, then you would also likely see that the blue eyed in this case would reduce their resistence. They would give up. This is also the case with racism. The white race felt superior over the black race for a long time, the black race wouldn't fight back because they knew that whatever they would do the white race would punish them for their resistence. To say that what she does is on a groundless basis is wrong. She definately has a ground to stand on, racism is a problem and most people causing racism haven't got a clue what it feels like to be victim of racism. She is extreme, she is a bitch, but she definately has a ground. You on the other hand do not show any ground at all. As far as I know, you are disagreeing with her point of view just for the sake of disagreeing with her. This is because it seems that you do not understand discussions. If someone else uses arguments based on false assumptions, that does not mean you should also use arguments based on false assumptions. If you want to make your point clear, you should use proper argumentation that shows that the "Bitch" might be causing more hurt than good. Then we might understand your point of view and roll along with it. However, you just come up with bad arguments which shows that you do not have a clue what you are talking about. You assumed many times how people would react on this video whereas you never based that on anything other than suspicions. You thought that people would take this experiment as anything else other than an experiment, you thought that other people would take the content of the experiment in a negative way and you thought that the people in this video have no idea what they are talking about whereas you have nothing to back that up with. Pretty much everything you have against this video is based on suspicion, which is why we disagree with you. The reason that I agree with this video is because I have similar experiences, because I saw this coming back in both real life as in study books. I know that other people have had the same experiences as well because I talked with them about it. [quote]I just make this short. Didn't intend to write anyway. It's just comes down to a stalemate discussion[/quote] I wouldn't say this discussion is stalemate at all. The only discussion point that is actually kinda stalemate is the point on whether the Bitch point of view on racism is right or wrong. Thing is, we never really discussed about that, ever. You said that you disagree with the way the Bitch handles things and I understand your point of view, which is why I do not go deeper in to that certain topic. The discussion on your suspicions is still very much going on. This reply alone is proof that it isn't stalemate.[/quote]

[quote=Latest Legend][quote=SkidmarkD] They are filled with self righteous peeps thinking they know how the world works. :D[/quote]I think you killed this thread with this sentence, and that everything you've written afterwards is insignificant because of it.[/quote]

[quote=Vorcia]I found it disappointing that several people in that couldn't see past the discrimination. From what I got out of it, the experiment wasn't to discriminate against the blues to help them empathize, it was to discriminate against the blues to show how difficult it is for modern day society to accept that racism exists and everyone is racist, just on a varying degree.[/quote]

[quote=Latest Legend][quote=Latest Legend]How I see it, this experiment is totally not about the blue-eyed white people, or about how little they know about racism, and it's not intended that way either. It's all about the brown-eyed people, the dominant group. People come in and they are immediately separated. This is key for the experiment to succeed in such a small timeframe. After that, the magic happens with the brown-eyed group. Separated from the others, they are told they have a key role in all this(key), they know what this is about(key and they should teach the other group a lesson(key). Conclusion: the other group is just a bunch of ignorant idiots, the brown-eyed group consists of smarter, better people. This is key. The fact that they(blue-eyed) really are a bunch of idiots when it comes to racism or not(which I would prefer not to discuss) is not important for the outcome of the experiment, but it's used because it's a simple and fast way to convince the brown-eyed group they are superior. That's the goal of the absolute separation in the beginning. Another important thing to note here is the switching of chairs. When someone says something that doesn't support teaching those blue-eyes a lesson, it's wrong, and it's immediately being made clear by letting this person switch chairs with someone else. When someone says something "good", that person is moved to the front, like the man saying he would protect her when they would attack her. At this point in time it's clear for all the brown-eyed people what's right(teach those blue-eyed a lesson) and what's wrong(sympathizing with them / defending them), and some feel they are the ones who know what's going on(those in front), and the others are afraid of getting the same treatment as the blue-eyed, so they keep quiet and move along. In other words, in such a small time frame this woman has been able to establish a group governed so strongly by her with the help of social pressure. The next stage is letting the blue-eyed get in to "start the experiment". In fact the experiment has been going on all this time with the brown-eyed, but they don't know this. They are at this point in time very convinced that the experiment is letting those ignorant blue-eyed know what racism feels like. So they carry this out. When someone from the brown-eyed doesn't agree with what's happening, they are condemned by the other brown-eyed, and either forced out or they just shut up and keep to the code. At this point in time the blue-eyed are having a hard time coping with the aggressiveness of the brown-eyed group. Lots of things are said, lots of things that do not matter a single bit in this experiment. The fact that the fat person thinks being fat is the same as having a different skin color, and whether that's stupid or not, doesn't matter at all. Key here is that the brown-eyed group is condemning the blue-eyed group just as the mastermind wants them to, simply because they are the knowing brown-eyed group, and those monsters are the ignorant blue-eyed group. The blue-eyed feel that they have no power to stop this bullying, and they stop fighting. The brown-eyed feel they have won, they are in charge. It's clear to everyone now: the blue-eyed are stupid, the brown-eyed are superior. Racism. She could've made the blue-eyed group dominant, and the brown-eyed group the lowly group. They outcome would've been the same, it doesn't matter. The reason for doing it this way is that she can use the "teaching the blue-eyed a lesson about racism" as a relatively easy and fast way to make the brown-eyed group superior. In only a few hours this woman has established this society, two-layered by the color of someone's eyes. Just a few hours, by one woman. Not only does that show this woman has some talent, it also shows just how easily the people of both groups accept the situation, their roles in the society. The brown-eyed people are really saying to those blue-eyed people: "You are stupid, you are scum", simply because they have blue eyes. That's the scary thing I think you should take home from this experiment, and that's what shows us a lot about racism in general. Interesting video by the way, thanks for sharing![/quote][/quote]

[quote=Mooninites]This lady is so lucky I wasn't in her social experiment, because holy fuck would I have run her show EDIT: well I watched until the 15 minute mark when I realized the conclusions they came to were so utterly false that it was actually the entirely opposite conclusion that any rational person or even a legitimate experiment would get. The white kid with brown eyes who got kicked out was actually correct, she marginalized him and demanded that he be racist, racism is a choice, thats why he had a problem with being the aggressor as he put it. Because 2 white people walked out, it doesn't mean they were racist or didn't think racism existed, it's actually quite the opposite, they had a problem with being racist and weren't going to partake in it. I don't even think it's worth watching the rest of the experiment if they're going to pull false conclusions out of their ass. Can you imagine if this was the conclusion they came up with in a dissertation? They'd be fucking laughed out of academia. People see racism where they want to see it, they fabricate it, it's not always where it actually exists[/quote]

[quote=Latest Legend]Making them out for racists and throwing them away was part of creating and maintaining the culture that made them feel superior. I'm not going to discuss racism other than if it's directly tied to this experiment if you don't mind. Well if you do I'll do it anyways :P[/quote]

[quote=Vorcia][quote=Mooninites]The white kid with brown eyes who got kicked out was actually correct, she marginalized him and demanded that he be racist, racism is a choice, thats why he had a problem with being the aggressor as he put it. Because 2 white people walked out, it doesn't mean they were racist or didn't think racism existed, it's actually quite the opposite, they had a problem with being racist and weren't going to partake in it. I don't even think it's worth watching the rest of the experiment if they're going to pull false conclusions out of their ass. Can you imagine if this was the conclusion they came up with in a dissertation? They'd be fucking laughed out of academia.[/quote] That was actually one of the main points of the lesson. People have a choice when it comes to racism but society (mostly in the past, but still sometimes today) puts a huge pressure on people to conform to the majority, but people who disagreed were always shunned from society.[/quote]

[quote=SkidmarkD]One way to look at it. Another is that the majority are too afraid to counter the ideology of the ones in charge. And therefor were willing to accept it. This doesn't mean they actually think like that. A similar experiment has been done before. On a much, much, much larger scale. Spanning almost 5 years. It's commonly referred to as WWII. You should look it up.[/quote]

[quote=sirell]If you're talking about deference to authority, the Milgram Experiment is a better example. WWII is a historical event and not an experiment so there are far more variables to consider (like the threat of death, for example) to make conclusive results about 'accepting' the ones in charge (as a counter-example, the resistance movements against Hitler which would somewhat counter your point). I think this racism experiment is showing something else, something much darker than simple deference to authority (though it's still possibly a reason why this experiment results the ways it does).[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=sirell]If you're talking about deference to authority, the Milgram Experiment is a better example. WWII is a historical event and not an experiment so there are far more variables to consider (like the threat of death, for example) to make conclusive results about 'accepting' the ones in charge (as a counter-example, the resistance movements against Hitler which would somewhat counter your point). I think this racism experiment is showing something else, something much darker than simple deference to authority (though it's still possibly a reason why this experiment results the ways it does).[/quote] Yes, agreed. D has kind of been putting his foot in his mouth (or on his keyboard, rather) it would seem. I'd like to read your thoughts on the experiment as a whole. Was it successful? Do you disagree with any of the methods? What did the experiment show?[/quote]