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Logarithm (49) | July 24, 2013 9:52am
I've always told my self to never downvote other Katarina guides, so that I can keep my integrity.

I'm pretty sure that downvoting this guide wont change much.

If you don't get it, what I'm saying is: this guide is bad and so are you for arguing that it isn't.

I don't even give a **** about the item build, you have almost zero to none BBCoding. The amount of effort you put into this guide is pitiful.

Your guide is only 10% of the effort that any guide around 90-80% is. Therefore, rating this from the viewpoint that it is a guide and not an ebook, this guide deserves to be rated 9-8%.
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sirell (400) | July 24, 2013 8:29am
*Keep your eyes open.*

It seems you didn't read what I wrote (or, if you did, you didn't understand it or chose to ignore it). I wonder who that makes blind and who that makes closed-minded...

Not mistakes? Different opinions? When you're able to level up your skills in a way that isn't impossible, then you may argue with me.

When a patch comes that grants the junglers equal gold to a laner, then you may argue with me about your items.

When you can challenge the maths of my suggested runes and masteries with your own instead of copying non-jungle mid Katarina guides, then you may argue with me.

When you come up with a decent argument supporting your build (which you don't and quite simply cannot), then you may call me close-minded for disregarding your argument.

Arrogant, am I? Perhaps. But I also happen to be right. You can't argue with the numbers, bro. Cute of you to try, though.

And no, I didn't condemn this guide based on past judgement. I have, in fact, upvoted a jungle Katarina guide before. If by 'condemn based on past judgement' you mean I condemned noob guides in the past, then you are correct.

I did, however, give you the grace of withholding your ranked stats until AFTER you decided to lie about it. Tsk tsk. Denial in the face of the truth is so... well, it would be rude of me to say.

But hell, don't listen to me. Why not ask other players who know better than me?

Vyn (the -Plat- player a little above in the discussion) owns a guide review store. Why not ask for his opinion?

And there are many other guide review services available on MOBAFire! Why not ask the majority of people and see what they think? I'm sure I'm completely wrong and what you've written is actually worthy of an upvote and a top-rated position, as well as a guest appearance in the LCS and OGN!

Wouldn't hold my breath if I were you, though.
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hawk182 | July 24, 2013 6:56am
sirell wrote:

Yup, your reply clearly showed you are unqualified to talk about Katarina.

You are not a good player and this is not up for discussion. You know your own stats best, so I don't understand why you're trying to lie about it.

1) It's not about innovation, but the critical error that you have committed with Katarina jungle is this: junglers generally have the second lowest income of gold after support. I'll be damned if you can afford that build.

2) You can't see the error with your skillset; allow me to enlighten you. Unless you skip your ultimate level 6, it is impossible to max an ability by level 8.

3) You don't seem to understand why AS > MagPen. There is no reasoning you can supply that makes MagPen better than AS for jungling.

4) Oh, you mean those top-rated masteries for **MID** Katarina? If you can't understand why my suggestion is MATHEMATICALLY BETTER for jungle, too bad for you.

On that final point, I agree. Not only is your build not great, it is in actual fact, complete trash. Trying different things for fun is fine, but your guide is wrong and I don't even need to read your 'explanations', because there is no way they are right.

Can't help to laugh at your banner. "Keeps your eyes open" Oh the irony. Let's be honest, you condemned this guide to be bad based on previous judgement, and then found things to complain about that are not mistakes but different opinions, because you can't accept people playing this game in a different way that you do. Did I say "This is totally the way to play Kat, it's absolutely perfect and you must play her this way!"? No. I said "Hey, I've been playing Kat for a while now and I got this idea. Why don't you try it out?" But of course you had to be so arrogant, arguing as if I were forcing people to play Kat this way and not simply kindly suggesting it. Well, what can I say? Hope next time you make a humble suggestion you will get crushed down too with infinite waves of negativity and close-mindedness too.
Take care.
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Vynertje (386) | July 24, 2013 5:57am
I'm sorry but I agree with Sirell on this one
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Bligen97 (31) | July 24, 2013 5:57am
in answer to my msg u said its a guide in progress... END OF STORY don't publish before finishing... when will people learn this rule
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sirell (400) | July 24, 2013 5:44am
Yup, your reply clearly showed you are unqualified to talk about Katarina.

You are not a good player and this is not up for discussion. You know your own stats best, so I don't understand why you're trying to lie about it.

1) It's not about innovation, but the critical error that you have committed with Katarina jungle is this: junglers generally have the second lowest income of gold after support. I'll be damned if you can afford that build.

2) You can't see the error with your skillset; allow me to enlighten you. Unless you skip your ultimate level 6, it is impossible to max an ability by level 8.

3) You don't seem to understand why AS > MagPen. There is no reasoning you can supply that makes MagPen better than AS for jungling.

4) Oh, you mean those top-rated masteries for **MID** Katarina? If you can't understand why my suggestion is MATHEMATICALLY BETTER for jungle, too bad for you.

On that final point, I agree. Not only is your build not great, it is in actual fact, complete trash. Trying different things for fun is fine, but your guide is wrong and I don't even need to read your 'explanations', because there is no way they are right.
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hawk182 | July 24, 2013 5:37am
xSum wrote:

you say she has good jungle clear. but her clearing times are awful neither does she have any sustainability

If you ever play her as a jungler you will see that you may need a few health potions at first, which is what I recommend and explain in this build, but that later on, say mid game, they won't be necessary and her clear up skills are not really that arguable. Just try it. I can tell from experience that her great farming skills that everybody is well aware of can be displayed as a jungler as well.
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hawk182 | July 24, 2013 5:30am
sirell wrote:

@Bligen, if I say 3 things in the CHEATSHEET, don't try and answer for me by referring to things OUTSIDE the cheatsheet.

@hawk

Or, as a suggestion, you could get better at the game before writing a guide?

Also, the banner(s) are typical sizes and they don't advertise me. :(

I'll direct your attention to three things:

1) If you examine the items, it looks like a typical Katarina build (add a Hunter's Machete), right? Therein lies the error.

2) Examine the skill sequence. Notice anything wrong with it?

3) Runes are incorrect. You should not be taking AP mid runes, but AP jungle runes, i.e. AS Marks and possibly Magic Resist per level Glyphs.

As a side note, Masteries aren't immediately apparent either, but once you do the maths, you'll realise that points in Brute Force and Alacrity are significantly better than something like Havoc or Spellsword , especially for your first clear.

Yes, I answered vaguely. But if you can't work out the answers, then damned if you deserve to write a guide.

But seriously, you shouldn't be writing guides thinking they're any good. Just a suggestion.

I am a good LOL player and I am good with Kat, I'm not saying that I'm great, but good. Certainly good enough to confidently throw out and idea on my favorite champ. The reason why I tried out jungle Katarina is that I was already getting good results with Mid Kat and I wanted to try something new. Now:

1st: I never claimed the items to be different and original, I even stated that they aren't further into the build and explained why. There's not much to innovate when it comes to items for Kat, because she has a very specific way to be built right when it comes to items and to build her in a very different way would be just to ask for bad results. The innovation part comes when I decided to look for new ways to play her instead of just playing Mid Kat forever.

2nd: Most builds recommend to max W first and Q later. However they recommend to get Q at lvl 1. If you could read the notes I attached explaining why I decided to max W first at lvl 1, it would be great.

3rd: If I'm not mistaken and by AS you mean attack speed which is what I think you mean, then I do not know why you think that would be a good idea on Katarina. I apologize if you meant otherwise. Further into the build I explained why I choose flat runes over scaling runes, but I also stated that scaling runes can be an option too. Once again, it would be great if you could read that.

4th: Most builds, especially the most rated ones, agree with me on this aspect. Although I appreciate and respect your opinion, I do not think these masteries are a mistake on my behalf.

Finally, at no point of this guide I claimed it to be great. Once again, the main purpose of this build is for Kat players to hear of a different point of view and have fun trying something new.
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xSum (11) | July 24, 2013 5:06am
you say she has good jungle clear. but her clearing times are awful neither does she have any sustainability
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hawk182 | July 24, 2013 5:00am
Bligen97 wrote:

1st: no optional items, just the core build, because **** if enemy team has APs :)
2nd: if you're gonna buy Hunter's Machete upgrade it into something...
3rd: walls of text... almost no bb coding... only things you did right was spelling and not doing this

1st: It's a guide still in progress, all of Kat's builds provide the same optional items for the same situations. I can just copy them like everyone else but that won't make my guide better. The whole point of the guide is for people to give it a try and have fun with it.
2nd: I wrote a whole long paragraph explaining why I do not build HM into a full item and even included a note informing that I would do so further into the build. I could just change it and make everyone happy, but I sustain that none of those items work accordingly to Kat, at least not if you compare them with other possibilities. Although it's a most for early game, you will get much better results when working with other items.
3rd: I did use some for emphasis purposes in different parts of the build, but I do not think it to be so necessary. However, I plan to do it in the future.
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sirell (400) | July 24, 2013 4:57am
@Bligen, if I say 3 things in the CHEATSHEET, don't try and answer for me by referring to things OUTSIDE the cheatsheet.

@hawk

Or, as a suggestion, you could get better at the game before writing a guide?

Also, the banner(s) are typical sizes and they don't advertise me. :(

I'll direct your attention to three things:

1) If you examine the items, it looks like a typical Katarina build (add a Hunter's Machete), right? Therein lies the error.

2) Examine the skill sequence. Notice anything wrong with it?

3) Runes are incorrect. You should not be taking AP mid runes, but AP jungle runes, i.e. AS Marks and possibly Magic Resist per level Glyphs.

As a side note, Masteries aren't immediately apparent either, but once you do the maths, you'll realise that points in Brute Force and Alacrity are significantly better than something like Havoc or Spellsword , especially for your first clear.

Yes, I answered vaguely. But if you can't work out the answers, then damned if you deserve to write a guide.

But seriously, you shouldn't be writing guides thinking they're any good. Just a suggestion.
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Bligen97 (31) | July 24, 2013 4:44am
1st: no optional items, just the core build, because **** if enemy team has APs :)
2nd: if you're gonna buy Hunter's Machete upgrade it into something...
3rd: walls of text... almost no bb coding... only things you did right was spelling and not doing this
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