Wellllllll it's up to you really.

I think Singed does more with the defense tree to be honest :P

After reading your guide (and its been a while) I never built a RoA again on Singed (my teamates always rage and call me names at me for doing so "because RoA is core on Singed" but I end up carrying most of the time so they just shut up)

My question to you is what is your thoughts on the new masteries for Singed ? I'm guessing you're still working on it if you didnt update the builds yet. I like 1-8-21, but is Strenght of Spirit worth going this far in the utility tree, since we're not going "tunnel vision" on mana stacking, or is 1-21-8 better ?

Yes, you and the rest of the world who have shared their opinion with me 8million times after watching RainMan and Dyrus do it :P

I yet to be super bullied using Singed.

As someone who plays singed a bit, i feel not getting cat into RoA is a bad idea, singed does not have the best earlygame and the reason that his midgame is so good is because RoA just does so much for him. When you get philo then boots then start to build rylai's, you are really getting super bullied because you are just too squishy, which is where an early catalyst really helps him, and even after rylai's you dont have as much as rod gives you. Personally I go cat, treads, belt, rod, rylais'. Just my opinion.

Cheers.

It's really too difficult to be explained... I recommend watching Dyrus videos on Youtube on how to zone control with Singed :)

There should definitely be more votes for this guide. I was almost hesitant to click the build until I saw it was Duff's. Anyway, I haven't been able to try the build out get, but I've always rushed cata first and always felt that I was lacking early on in survivability, especially team fights. I was looking around to see if other people built their Singed successfully different and am presently surprised that you do!great guide and can't wait to try it!

One request is that you spend some time going over Singer's weak areas. I myself am relatively new (fresh 30), and I have problems in the early laning phase. How to zone, when and when not to initiate, and how to face counters would be awesome!

Thanks Shrill, cheers.

alas I am WallofTextTime.

It's always been my style >:P

I like it good build +1. Maybe put some pictures to make look nice.

Side note; RoA Singed does work, but it's not the function provided in this guide and if you can't understand that there's no saving you.

Trust me I'm not worried.

I specifically wrote in the build that I don't like RoA on Singed for 5v5 games, and I explained why -in depth- ... You didn't read the guide most likely, or you don't agree with what I'm saying.

If you don't agree, then you either don't think for yourself and simply do whatever The Rain Man does, ORYou don't have threatening enough opponents to need to build full tank. (In which case it's irrelevant which item you choose because your opponents are easy)

This guide is about full tanking, not building RoA/damage/gimmicky items.

As you can see in the one build with 2 RoA, I know what the item brings to the table. I do build RoA in the 3v3 map when I play Singed.

I do NOT build RoA in 80-90% of games with Singed on the 5v5 map. This is because I won't play Singed unless my team needs a ridiculous, invincible super tank.

Hope that makes sense.

Hope you understand WHY there is no RoA in the majority of the builds.

Well dude there are some things missing like Rod in all builds (not going to dislike dont worry).

Yes sir, cheers :D