These are just builds for me now but I figured I would throw them out there anyway. I like to have my builds opened up like this for quick reference. I find it better to think things out first then modify as necessary while your playing rather than just having a rough idea. Especially for when I'm being lazy and don't want to really try too hard or analyze too much (in other words not build situational). So I really don't care what people vote on this because it's only really for me and I just figured I would throw it out there with the rest of the pot to see if I could get some feedback. If you try it out and it works well then let me know and I can expand it into a full guide. Right now I guess its a beta build. And I don't want to write a guide until I have significantly more experience with Talon. So that's how it is. Any feedback appreciated.

I guess I'll just say too that both of them focus on AD and CDR the first one relies on items for the CDR and I wanted to try a build out with a Tiamat cause I almost never build one and it seemed to make some sense for some extra durability. The second one seems to be the more viable thus far but I don't really know if its just been luck. I've been experimenting with Guardian Angel over Force of Nature in the second build. Also I sometimes skip the Sword of the Occult and get the The Brutalizer earlier, then -> -> . Also I was wondering what people thought about going for The Brutalizer and a Youmuu's Ghostblade where I wud take the brutalizer over the Spirit Visage because I take the spirit visage for CDR which I could get from the brutalizer plus more AD.