it's not very agressive ? :S

Great, but i would use some armor pen on that. And i think i would've upgrade my w first for like 3 times, because of the damage. But thx for the build and everything. ^^

I don't really get how this is an updated guide. There is still a lot of incomplete stuff and....an item that doesn't exist and......... a lot of unexplained things. There seems to be very little hp stacking in the build as a top and a jungler.

I'm not really sure how you make your jungling build work without building a jungling item. Especially with the new jungle with gold bonusses on the jungling items. Also Spirit of the Ancient Golem or Spirit of the Elder Lizard are cheap, provide really good stats and utility for Vi as they both synergise well (passive and aoe abilities).

Spirit Stone in itself provides some mana and health reg for when your mid needs blue. I'm not saying it's not viable (I build an early Brutalizer and maybe even Phage too in some games but adds a spirit stone upgrade when I've helped the lanes get an advantage and need to farm the jungle for a while to get some xp) - I just think that you at least could cover your views on why not to buy a jungling item as it seems quite different from normal jungling procedure? Do you have to take blue every time/recall a lot or do you simply leave the jungle for itself quite early into the game to roam and take kills and turrets for gold instead? If that's the case write about how to make it work and consider that it's only an option if you and your team are able to snowball as you and your team mates (in the lanes where you tend to hang out) will lack xp and gold otherwise when they don't get to farm.

Also you need more health in your build to really make use of Atma's (which is why it's seldom used by anyone atm) as there are other much better armor items out there.

Just used the Jungle guide and carried 20/6/19, best match I've had in a long time, great guide!

Thanks for the guide! NEVER lost a game using this build and just did 37/3 with it.
I just took Ravenous Hydra instead of Locket of the I.S., but it only was in the last 5 mins so it isn't important :D

Friend of the 3 guidelines which recommend me to be a good destroyer both towers as champions?

I am a new too... playing for a year or so... still a lot to learn :)

So, looking for similarities I arrived at this:

Vault Breaker = Shadow Dash
Denting Blows = Burst of Speed
Relentless Force = Vorpal Spikes
Cease and Desist = Unstoppable Force

I hope I sattisfied your curiosity :)

wow... i just realize it... :P
thx a lot :D
*me still a newbie XD

I intend to buy Vi as soon as I get the last IP points I need and I have one small question. I was looking on her skills and some discusion about her and came up with such a build. If you can say what you think about it :)

- Berserker's Greaves/ Ninja Tabi/ Mercury's Treads
- Frozen Mallet/ Iceborn Gauntlet
- Maw of Malmortius/ Mercurial Scimitar
- Zephyr
- Black Cleaver/ Blade of the Ruined King
- Guardian Angel

And some explanation:
- Frozen Mallet over Iceborn Gauntlet only if my team needs more HP.
- Mercurial Scimitar over Maw of Malmortius only if enemies are CC heavy.
- Blade of the Ruined King if you need this help in exchanges. ( I gues there can be some Warwick problem )
- Boots depending on need, Merc's not necessary, Tenacity from Zephyr already.

Some comparison I made on Leaguecraft:
1. Link (20% CDR, 3k HP, 170 AR, 140 MR)
2. Link (35% CDR, 2.3k HP, 220 AR, 150 MR)

If you can write me on priv what you think about it, unless you have some constructive feedback which will help the comunity. It will keep this discusion clean of unnecessary spam.




I don't know if identical is the word you seek :) There are a lot of champs that are similar, but Vi and Fiora have very diferent roles. Fiora is more of an anti-carry and Vi is more of a bruiser-initiate.

If you look for similarities see Akali, Diana, Ahri. They are similar but each is diferent and has diferent role :)

I was making a Build for 3v3 i most have some how put Van Damm's Pillager in the main guide some how. Fixed it