Stop making guides if you don't know the champ...

[quote=Marked4Death]Ok, so as we all expected, as soon as Lee Sin was available on mobafire all the baddies came out of the woodworks like cockaroaches to flood the scene with a guide and be the first to have #1 lee sin guide. However, none of these people know wtf there doing, he hasn't even been out a week. Ok, whatever, not a big deal, a bunch of bads making guides, whatever. Then I came across a guide, with a name im familiar with around the forum, in [color=green]green[/color]. Our dear veteren posted a beautiful looking guide filled with sweet icons, and general understanding of what the actual items do, not so much what they do for lee sin. Looked all good to me, i was definately ready to hop on the bandwagon and five it a shot, but before i did, i wanted to see how he did in his recent games, surely a guy who wrote a big nice guide would be able to play the shit out of lee sin, you know, writing guides and all........ and then i saw this........ [img]http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/4158/caucheka.jpg[/img] come on dude.....Why write a guide to a champ, you can't actually play? DISCLAIMER ( ;) ) no this is not a personal vendetta, i don't know coucheka, i don't care too. I am doing this however to address the obvious problem of letting people post guides so soon after a champ is released. Can't blame the guy for trying though, and i'm sure this post will be ignored and his loveley veteren green will get him a shit ton of up votes on his guide. :/ o well. Let the trolling begin, hate on me if you must.[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport]Because they're allowed to. If you dislike the guide, just downvote it.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]You realize that Lee Sin's difficulty is hard, right? He's not meant to "fight" really. He's kinda meant to BS with single opponents. I haven't seen a game where caucheka played Sin, (never been in a game with him either) but that doesn't mean the guide's bad. I know my guides get DV just because they're meant to be fun and not amazingly competitive. Like Jun said, just DV if you don't like it and give a nice answer as to why.[/quote]

[quote=Jet]just dv it don't need to give nice answers to bad guides >philosophy lesson[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]He can't DV yet. 4 day restriction sucks sometimes.[/quote]

[quote=Kirluu]Umm. Making a guide for a champion doesn't mean that you have to be extremely roflpwnage with the Champion you're writing the guide about. Also: you don't know how many games the person has played with the Champion, and such you can't know how his previous games with the Champ has been. If it's a well written guide, and it explains itself well and you, as the reader, UNDERSTAND these choices, then there's nothing to downvote for. If you do bad with it, if the creator does bad with it, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's a bad build or guide. A guide or build can also be a suggestion for a way to play a champ. I mean; I can write a guide without actually having tested the build myself. Maybe I just got an idea for a Champion and made a guide about it, explaining the theory of my perhaps unoriginal build. You see, for all I care, I could make a freaking novel in form of a guide, publish it, and test it out afterwards and get 10 losses attempting on that playstyle. That doesn't make the guide bad. That possibly makes the build bad, but if the guide explains itself well, it's not a bad guide, as long as the author explains and can defend all of the choices within the build. Meaning: If you do bad with a build within a guide, that either means that you don't understand how to play and use the advantages of the build, or the build is not optimal. And maybe it just isn't optimal for you. Either way, you can't judge a guide by the author's Match History. That's just sad. That might be somewhat possible with a build, but a guide is about guiding, and not necessarily give you the best build in the world: In the case you're looking for the best build evah, go look at builds instead of guides.[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport]Lee Sin is underpowered right now. Not hard to play. (Boring too)[/quote]

[quote=MisterChris]You are being very judgmental here man, if you are going to critique a guide at least say something more than "it is bad, he is a new hero" etc. And if you are going to, why on earth post a name? that is very disrespectful. If you don't like it fine but at least ask permission from the guide writer if you can post an image. EDIT: I will use myself for example. I have a new Teemo build I use, would you really judge me because what my last 10 matches have said? Why don't you write a guide? see if you can have a perfect match history.[/quote]

[quote=DEWO]Well there could be many many reasons on this loosing. This is a new champ. And tbh every build will fail. He is quite weak due to beeing energy dependant. He might be checking out diferent rune/mastery/skill setups. I always said that Build is 10% and 90% is player skill. So his items and theorycraft might be good but his performance not. If you played his build and failed and you feel the build is the reason, go and DV it with some nice comment why you think it is a bad build. I totaly agree with you on making a full GUIDES (not builds) for champs that just got out or you didnt play it for at least 2-3 months is pretty... lame... But lets not overdo it. The ideas in those builds/guides could help YOU to write even better one.[/quote]

[quote=Xaioli]I can't vouch if the build is optimal, but look. Looking @ Match Histories mean nothing. Perhaps he's stuck in an Elo only to be chained down by bad team mates. Lee sin is a team player, not an amazing 1v1 IMO. Notice how he only has a W as Poppy. Why? Poppy dosen't need a team. She can literally solo 2-3 people in seconds. With the current UP state of Lee Sin, that's like asking why can't a veigar tank as well as Cho'Gath. LS is lacking, but not break my balls lacking. Bad teammates cost games. Also, did I point out he takes skill to play? :P[/quote]