In-depth explanation about new metagame?

[quote=GodKiIlThemAll]Thanks for helping a lot here. About [[gnar]], I forgot to make a question about him. Since he's pretty predictable, is he really a priority in ban/pick phase which I've seen he got banned/picked plenty of times. And still about the jungle again (I'm very confused about it), [[vi]] is coming back, like Elise, and she can force teamfights so hard with her [[assault and battery]], she has decent CC and mobility with [[vault breaker]] , good damage output so she can comfortably build tankiness and I feel like she does a pretty good job in the jungle. Is she somehow still underestimated?[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy][quote=LevasK]Also, looking purely at base damage, [[Maokai]]'s damage [b]is[/b] comparable to [[Cho'Gath]]'s ([[Feast]] does make it tip into Cho's favor) and as for CC, [[Cho'Gath]] has the "potential" to have better CC, but again the CC is comparable and [[Maokai]] provides consistent CC.[/quote] You did just repeat what I said. And no, the CC is not comparable. [[rupture]] is basically [[maokai]]'s [[twisted advance]] -> [[arcane smash]] in one ability and then [[cho'gath]] also has [[feral scream]], the strongest silence spell in the game which disables most enemies for 2.5 seconds. It is one of the strongest CC-abilities in the game. And about the damage, the damage tips definitly in [[cho'gath]]s favor if he can do multiple auto attacks with his stupid high AD and [[vorpal spikes]]. Again, [[cho'gath]] has the potential to deal way more damage. Basically, [[cho'gath]], compared to [[maokai]], is a win more champ.[/quote]

[quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0]How can you be a more inconsistent win more champ? If anything it should be the other way around. As for why no one plays him it could just be because he's boring as hell and has only 3 or even 2 abilities up every fight.[/quote]

[quote=LevasK][quote=NicknameMy] [spoiler] You did just repeat what I said. And no, the CC is not comparable. [[rupture]] is basically [[maokai]]'s [[twisted advance]] -> [[arcane smash]] in one ability and then [[cho'gath]] also has [[feral scream]], the strongest silence spell in the game which disables most enemies for 2.5 seconds. It is one of the strongest CC-abilities in the game. And about the damage, the damage tips definitly in [[cho'gath]]s favor if he can do multiple auto attacks with his stupid high AD and [[vorpal spikes]]. Again, [[cho'gath]] has the potential to deal way more damage. Basically, [[cho'gath]], compared to [[maokai]], is a win more champ.[/spoiler][/quote] ^I don't agree with this. If you wish to discuss [[Cho'Gath]] vs [[Maokai]] further, make a thread about it, because this thread is not the right place for that. [quote=GodKiIlThemAll]Thanks for helping a lot here. [spoiler]About [[gnar]], I forgot to make a question about him. Since he's pretty predictable, is he really a priority in ban/pick phase which I've seen he got banned/picked plenty of times. And still about the jungle again (I'm very confused about it), [[vi]] is coming back, like Elise, and she can force teamfights so hard with her [[assault and battery]], she has decent CC and mobility with [[vault breaker]] , good damage output so she can comfortably build tankiness and I feel like she does a pretty good job in the jungle. Is she somehow still underestimated?[/spoiler][/quote] [spoiler=Gnar] I can't answer this with 100% accuracy, as some teams might value [[Gnar]] differently, based on their team composition or even preference, but [[Gnar]] is still strong, even after the nerfs. I'm a bit lazy atm, but I can explain this further.[/spoiler] [spoiler=Vi] Like you said, she's a decent pick, but a situational pick. If you are trying really hard to start a teamfight/get a single pick, [[Vi]] is perfect for that job, however that's about it. She's not a great teamfighter and hardly what you would call a flexible champion. [color=#ff0000]I believe[/color] that she can be the best pick sometimes or sub-par one other times and [color=#ff0000]I don't think[/color] she's an underestimated pick, just a situational one. [/spoiler] I'm aware that my answers are rather light this time, but I'm willing to expand upon them, if need be.[/quote]

[quote=Hatted]Lissandra has been going top a lot. I guess she doesn't have as much crazy burst as others do mid, but Annie top is apparently a thing now. Tanky mage top, I suppose.[/quote]

[quote=Savlonic][quote=Hatted]Lissandra has been going top a lot. I guess she doesn't have as much crazy burst as others do mid, but Annie top is apparently a thing now. Tanky mage top, I suppose.[/quote] Solo queue, [[annie]] top does work. Competitively, very, very unlikely to see it.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Machine Gun [[Annie]] top is best :D.[/quote]

[quote=TheKut][quote=LevasK]The cooldown of [[Feast]] being halved, if you kill a minion/monster, does not negate the fact that you can lose 450HP by simply dying. Also, looking purely at base damage, [[Maokai]]'s damage [b]is[/b] comparable to [[Cho'Gath]]'s ([[Feast]] does make it tip into Cho's favor) and as for CC, [[Cho'Gath]] has the "potential" to have better CC, but again the CC is comparable and [[Maokai]] provides consistent CC.[/quote] I think you're forgetting that NicknameMy builds [[Cho'Gath]] hella weird.[/quote]

[quote=Cooper112]You guys act as if cho is easy to kill once he gets alot stacks lol. As top laner i hate him if you dont get early kills or stop him from stacking he is impossible to kill 1v1 with alot of champs. You need 2-3 people to kill tank cho with all def.[/quote]

[quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0]A wild Cho'Gath appeared! The wild Cho'Gath ran away![/quote]