Sustain mrans that you do dmg in a more or less straight line.
Burst means that your dmg spikes and falls.
It doesnt matter if the distance between these spikes are closer or futher away, they are spikes and thus "burst" dmg.
You can call it "sustain" when she can just spam her abilities like you could autoattack.
And I brought it up, simply because Liandry's wouldn't make sense on her "in some situations".
If you instagib someone down by +50%, why using an item that becomes worse the less HP the enemy possesses?
Burst means that your dmg spikes and falls.
It doesnt matter if the distance between these spikes are closer or futher away, they are spikes and thus "burst" dmg.
You can call it "sustain" when she can just spam her abilities like you could autoattack.
And I brought it up, simply because Liandry's wouldn't make sense on her "in some situations".
If you instagib someone down by +50%, why using an item that becomes worse the less HP the enemy possesses?
That's why i don't buy it on her. I just think there are better items. And I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on our definitions of sustained damage.
Believe it or not, Liandry's actually has this neat stat called "magic pen". Oh and these other ones called "ability power" and "health". Regardless of its passive, it's still a decent item on most AP carries because of those.
tired of people acting like it just has its passive and nothing else.
kinda lame.
tired of people acting like it just has its passive and nothing else.
kinda lame.
The_Nameless_Bard wrote:
Believe it or not, Liandry's actually has this neat stat called "magic pen". Oh and these other ones called "ability power" and "health". Regardless of its passive, it's still a decent item on most AP carries because of those.
crystal scepter is the same price and gives more health and ap.
or you could just build a haunting guise, then sell it later for a void staff.
I like things that make me feel stupid. - Ken Levine
I'm not saying "OMFG it's amazing, buy in every game GG"
I'm saying "stop acting like it has no other stats kthxbai"
my statement that it is DECENT on most AP carries is a true one.
I'm saying "stop acting like it has no other stats kthxbai"
my statement that it is DECENT on most AP carries is a true one.
People refer to it as if it only has its passive, because if you don't want the passive you can get other items that do the same things as it does, but better. So yes this whole discussion is about the passive.
As Darcurse said, the point is not that Akali deals sustained/sustained burst/burst/whogivesaF kind of damage, it's that she will quickly drop an enemy below 50% HP, making Liandry's Torment a lot less effective compared to other items.
And kind of like MyRepublic said, I know Liandry's Torment gives good stats that work well on Akali... it's just that you could use that gold to buy another item that would just give you much better stats. That's all really lol.
In my opinion, Liandry's Torment only is more effective than other damage items if your champion can deal sustained AoE damage, has reliable CC or a team with a lot of CC, makes good use of HP, has kinda low AP Ratios and wants a flat damage increase/Magic Pen instead of AP.
Liandry's Torment a lot less effective compared to other items.And kind of like MyRepublic said, I know
Liandry's Torment gives good stats that work well on Akali... it's just that you could use that gold to buy another item that would just give you much better stats. That's all really lol.In my opinion,
Liandry's Torment only is more effective than other damage items if your champion can deal sustained AoE damage, has reliable CC or a team with a lot of CC, makes good use of HP, has kinda low AP Ratios and wants a flat damage increase/Magic Pen instead of AP.
theorycraft on liandry at rog:
http://www.reignofgaming.net/blogs/a-different-view/diff-the-ender/23231-liandrys-torment-is-incredibly-strong
i think it's a pretty good read that's conclusion is basically that liandry is better than what people give it credit for, but as always remember that theorycrafting is only half the story so interpret it how you will. i feel that it's a pretty strong item for any caster who can keep the passive ticking, but burst mages probably will still prefer the void staff.
one thing that you guys need to consider though is that haunting guise is just a fantastic laning item on casters, and that is a big plus on liandry's side. also, especially in midlane flat magic pen combined with sorcs and runes is all you need for true damage on the other ap/adc early on in the game (unless they go chalice, if they do you fall a little short).
http://www.reignofgaming.net/blogs/a-different-view/diff-the-ender/23231-liandrys-torment-is-incredibly-strong
i think it's a pretty good read that's conclusion is basically that liandry is better than what people give it credit for, but as always remember that theorycrafting is only half the story so interpret it how you will. i feel that it's a pretty strong item for any caster who can keep the passive ticking, but burst mages probably will still prefer the void staff.
one thing that you guys need to consider though is that haunting guise is just a fantastic laning item on casters, and that is a big plus on liandry's side. also, especially in midlane flat magic pen combined with sorcs and runes is all you need for true damage on the other ap/adc early on in the game (unless they go chalice, if they do you fall a little short).
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