Vynertje's Support AMA and advice thread

[quote=Hogopogo]Will do.[/quote]

[quote=Ixtellor]Can you create a list of which supports counter which? I realize this is dependent upon who the ADC is as well, but I had a bad run of picking supports that got stomped by enemy supports recently. For example if they pick Morgana.... is Braum a nice counter or does she own him? The counter pick websites don't really consider the champ as a support. Thanks in advance.[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje][quote=Ixtellor]Can you create a list of which supports counter which? I realize this is dependent upon who the ADC is as well, but I had a bad run of picking supports that got stomped by enemy supports recently. For example if they pick Morgana.... is Braum a nice counter or does she own him? The counter pick websites don't really consider the champ as a support. Thanks in advance.[/quote] No I cannot for multiple reasons: 1. As you mentioned, it's too dependent on match-ups and in general team synergy. The list therefore wouldn't be accurate or have too many footnotes to be effective. 2. It's a lot of effort, especially considering there are so many variables to take into account. I just don't have all that time. 3. Some champions simply have a weak laning phase and good late game scaling. How to account for that? (e.g. Alistar is easy to lane against but hard to shut down, whereas leona is the other way around) Another question would be how to judge something like Thresh vs Nami: Nami wins the 2v2 really hard but generally loses hard once a jungler comes over and is then snowballed on easily by thresh. I'm fine answering a few specific supports and their matchups, but I'm just not going to make a list. It'd be too much effort to type it all out without oversimplifying stuff. Sorry![/quote]

[quote=utopus]Hey vynnie, could you do a video on juggling aggro during long fights in the bottom lane early levels? To elaborate for clarity, I was wondering of you could go over one of your games where there was a close early game fight between your opponent lane, and you won because you and your ADC split aggro - that is, to say that you tanked the fight down to 50% of your health, then your ADC tanked the fight down to 50% of your health, and then you tanked the fight down to 10% of your health so your ADC could be free hitting your opponent. I'm doing a really crappy job explaining this. If you have no idea what i'm asking, I can point you to an example in one of my recent games. I just can't seem to quite wrap my head around how to juggle aggro. I know how to do it in principle, kinda? But I don't really know EXACTLY when it is the right time to start kiting back or how far I need to kite back, and letting my ADC tank a little damage.[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje][quote=utopus]Hey vynnie, could you do a video on juggling aggro during long fights in the bottom lane early levels? To elaborate for clarity, I was wondering of you could go over one of your games where there was a close early game fight between your opponent lane, and you won because you and your ADC split aggro - that is, to say that you tanked the fight down to 50% of your health, then your ADC tanked the fight down to 50% of your health, and then you tanked the fight down to 10% of your health so your ADC could be free hitting your opponent. I'm doing a really crappy job explaining this. If you have no idea what i'm asking, I can point you to an example in one of my recent games. I just can't seem to quite wrap my head around how to juggle aggro. I know how to do it in principle, kinda? But I don't really know EXACTLY when it is the right time to start kiting back or how far I need to kite back, and letting my ADC tank a little damage.[/quote] Eh, thats a though question because it isn't something I do consciously and I've never really heard anyone talk about that before either. The problem is that I don't think you can really choose who tanks what and when like you can with jungle mobs while still having both deal damage. Generally speaking though, I'd say you start kiting back when you have cooldowns while you wait for them to reset.[/quote]

[quote=MungoGeri][quote=Vynertje]1. AP isn't the most valuabe stat for a support in general. There are only few support champions that benefit from AP ([[lulu]], [[janna]]) while the latter doesn't even commonly start [[spellthief's edge]].[/quote] I like using [[spellthief's edge]] when I support with [[zyra]], because the passive powers up my plants for extra harass damage and it generates gold throughout the game. My main issue with upgrading to [[frost queen's claim]] is the weak mana generation -- only 50% base generation. When I used to upgrade as a matter of course, I would constantly have mana issues. Lately, I have switched to keeping the [[spellthief's edge]] and building a [[sapphire crystal]] as the first step on the way to [[zeke's harbinger]]. The situation is much better this way. In a rework of [[frost queen's claim]], I would have it either provide more mana regeneration or some direct mana supply.[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje]More mana regeneration won't make the item good.[/quote]

[quote=utopus]Yep - There are so many better ways to spend 1900 gold[/quote]

[quote=MrMad2000]Opinion on [[relic shield]] on ranged supports? A [[zilean]] main I played with the other day (500 games, 60% win rate) starts it but I really can't understand the reasoning behind it. Is it maybe him just being super trolly or is it a good strategy?[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje]I dont know his reasoning for it so I can't really judge whether its trolling or not, but it is incredibly bad for zilean.[/quote]