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blacksoul178
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imo , language should be a discrimination , some people , dont know how to speak english for **** , but at the least i believe they should add a link to a translation if they cant,
i am bilangual (french and english) and i have no difficulty writting or reading english, but i have some friends who can barely say anything else then :yes, no, and toaster, i believe they should be allowed to post build still cause it doesnt mean their build is bad just because they dont speak english
"I agree with removal of this "build" and i accept deleting my comment permanently."
i am bilangual (french and english) and i have no difficulty writting or reading english, but i have some friends who can barely say anything else then :yes, no, and toaster, i believe they should be allowed to post build still cause it doesnt mean their build is bad just because they dont speak english
"I agree with removal of this "build" and i accept deleting my comment permanently."
Thank you Matt for all the work. Now we can delete the "build" so it will not show itself in most commented and best rated builds on this site witch i didnt think about o_O yay i have nother high rated build! :P
Also i would be realy happy if the Mastery builder links would accualy work :)
http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/mastery-tree-planner#&tree1=3-0-1-0-4-2-0-1-3-0-3-3-0-1&tree2=1-3-0-0-0-4-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0&tree3=0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0
Will always show only 1st lane of the masteries, never deeper.
Also i would be realy happy if the Mastery builder links would accualy work :)
http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/mastery-tree-planner#&tree1=3-0-1-0-4-2-0-1-3-0-3-3-0-1&tree2=1-3-0-0-0-4-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0&tree3=0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0
Will always show only 1st lane of the masteries, never deeper.
krazykeithii
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Let me paste What Matt wrote in another topic:
Fiew ideas, after reading it:
"Throttling down votes so you can use it within reason, but not abuse it. Maybe you get 1 new down vote per day but can bank up to 5. Maybe you can only down vote once every hour. Maybe you can only down vote as much as you up vote."
Bad idea imho. Especialy for ppl like me that likes to comment ALOT of guides and i read nearly all the builds that ppl post here. I am still not voting on guides unless there are some changes done, so when we will have some sollution i would like to start voting again and beeing able to vote 1-5 times per day when i read like 20-30 new guides per day is a missed idea imho.
"Requiring comments for the first 2 or 3 people who vote. Generally once a build reaches enough down votes we can assume it really is garbage and stop requiring a comment."
Doesnt solve the main problem. The main problem is that accualy we want to know WHY som1 thinks this is bad, even if they do a -1 coz of a single rune, we would like to know that it is the runes we could swap for something better suited. The other part is ok, after a guide reaches -3 or -5 commenting the negatives could be disabled.
"Displaying the names of the first 5 people that voted, but once a build surpasses 5 it removes the names and only shows the totals. Perhaps posting a comment would hide your name. This might discourage abusive voters that down vote lots of builds at random."
Good idea but still as i wrote up there it doesnt solve the problem in 100%.
"Hide the score until a threshold number of votes is met. When there is only say 5 votes, the score is still relatively meaningless. After 5 votes the score becomes more meaningful and we can show it."
I TOTALY agree with this one. Untill 10 votes are made the guide would be considered "unscored" and will encourage ppl to check the guide anyway. Nowdays ppl might avoid even reading a -1'ed guide even if that -1 is the only vote there. TOTALY agree with this one.
"I'm really not a big fan of requiring comments because I feel like it will discourage voting overall and you'll wind up with a lot of 0 scores."
Well, if a person that "rates" the build has nothing to say, what is the reason on making that person vote even considered valid? I would even be a fan of disabling the voting and leaving only the comment part, but this will destroy the site and make it totaly chaotic. But still if you rate something that means you have your opinion on the guide/build. Its either positive or negative. if you dont have any opinion about the guide, you don't vote at all. Simple as that.
"If everyone was voting, then those few abusers would not matter, just a drop in the bucket."
It is not about this problem. (at least not from my perspective). Its the urge of knowing WHAT IS WRONG, with the guide.
"We are also considering "normalizing" scores. Instead of showing a straight number we could show a percentage. You would never have a negative score then, the only way to have a 0 score would be if EVERY vote was negative. If your score is 0 right now, that actually means your votes were 50/50, and so your normalized score would actually be 50%."
Normalizing like that would hurt the rating system alot. This will make guides that are scored +10 with 100votes worse than guide scored +3 with 3 votes and we dont want that dont we :)
We could make the voting ppl visible to the build owner only. Just an idea.
We could disable Thumb up or down, and leave only comments where you leave a comment and mark it as "positive" or "negative" (neutral?). This way we would swap the best build rating into build with most positive comments.
Any later on thoughts?
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by Matt » July 5, 2010 4:32am
We are still discussing the best way to do this. Trying to find a good balance. It's not a normal thing for a site to require a comment along with a vote, but this is also not a normal site :) We have some great stuff coming out this week, which will hopefully include some changes to voting.
Some ideas we're discussing, I'd love to hear your thoughts on them:
Throttling down votes so you can use it within reason, but not abuse it. Maybe you get 1 new down vote per day but can bank up to 5. Maybe you can only down vote once every hour. Maybe you can only down vote as much as you up vote.
Requiring comments for the first 2 or 3 people who vote. Generally once a build reaches enough down votes we can assume it really is garbage and stop requiring a comment.
Displaying the names of the first 5 people that voted, but once a build surpasses 5 it removes the names and only shows the totals. Perhaps posting a comment would hide your name. This might discourage abusive voters that down vote lots of builds at random.
Hide the score until a threshold number of votes is met. When there is only say 5 votes, the score is still relatively meaningless. After 5 votes the score becomes more meaningful and we can show it.
We will likely also implement vote changing so you can reconsider your vote later.
I'm really not a big fan of requiring comments because I feel like it will discourage voting overall and you'll wind up with a lot of 0 scores. The problem we have now is so few people are really voting, and so a couple of negative votes actually makes a difference. If everyone was voting, then those few abusers would not matter, just a drop in the bucket.
We could instead offset such abuse by hiding the score (or just show 0) until you've reached a threshold of votes. Score is hidden until you get, say, 5 votes. The problem then is people might start to feel like their votes don't matter, if a number of builds never reach that threshold.
I kind of like the idea of "buying" down votes with up votes, as this encourages more voting (and more positive voting) overall. If you know you have to balance your votes, you will probably think harder about it and I think you will consider voting up more often. I think some people actually just don't think about voting up. They want to squash the bad builds but then forget to vote on the good builds. What do you guys think of that solution? The only problem is it's a little unusual and complicated for new users.
We are also considering "normalizing" scores. Instead of showing a straight number we could show a percentage. You would never have a negative score then, the only way to have a 0 score would be if EVERY vote was negative. If your score is 0 right now, that actually means your votes were 50/50, and so your normalized score would actually be 50%.
We are still discussing the best way to do this. Trying to find a good balance. It's not a normal thing for a site to require a comment along with a vote, but this is also not a normal site :) We have some great stuff coming out this week, which will hopefully include some changes to voting.
Some ideas we're discussing, I'd love to hear your thoughts on them:
Throttling down votes so you can use it within reason, but not abuse it. Maybe you get 1 new down vote per day but can bank up to 5. Maybe you can only down vote once every hour. Maybe you can only down vote as much as you up vote.
Requiring comments for the first 2 or 3 people who vote. Generally once a build reaches enough down votes we can assume it really is garbage and stop requiring a comment.
Displaying the names of the first 5 people that voted, but once a build surpasses 5 it removes the names and only shows the totals. Perhaps posting a comment would hide your name. This might discourage abusive voters that down vote lots of builds at random.
Hide the score until a threshold number of votes is met. When there is only say 5 votes, the score is still relatively meaningless. After 5 votes the score becomes more meaningful and we can show it.
We will likely also implement vote changing so you can reconsider your vote later.
I'm really not a big fan of requiring comments because I feel like it will discourage voting overall and you'll wind up with a lot of 0 scores. The problem we have now is so few people are really voting, and so a couple of negative votes actually makes a difference. If everyone was voting, then those few abusers would not matter, just a drop in the bucket.
We could instead offset such abuse by hiding the score (or just show 0) until you've reached a threshold of votes. Score is hidden until you get, say, 5 votes. The problem then is people might start to feel like their votes don't matter, if a number of builds never reach that threshold.
I kind of like the idea of "buying" down votes with up votes, as this encourages more voting (and more positive voting) overall. If you know you have to balance your votes, you will probably think harder about it and I think you will consider voting up more often. I think some people actually just don't think about voting up. They want to squash the bad builds but then forget to vote on the good builds. What do you guys think of that solution? The only problem is it's a little unusual and complicated for new users.
We are also considering "normalizing" scores. Instead of showing a straight number we could show a percentage. You would never have a negative score then, the only way to have a 0 score would be if EVERY vote was negative. If your score is 0 right now, that actually means your votes were 50/50, and so your normalized score would actually be 50%.
Fiew ideas, after reading it:
"Throttling down votes so you can use it within reason, but not abuse it. Maybe you get 1 new down vote per day but can bank up to 5. Maybe you can only down vote once every hour. Maybe you can only down vote as much as you up vote."
Bad idea imho. Especialy for ppl like me that likes to comment ALOT of guides and i read nearly all the builds that ppl post here. I am still not voting on guides unless there are some changes done, so when we will have some sollution i would like to start voting again and beeing able to vote 1-5 times per day when i read like 20-30 new guides per day is a missed idea imho.
"Requiring comments for the first 2 or 3 people who vote. Generally once a build reaches enough down votes we can assume it really is garbage and stop requiring a comment."
Doesnt solve the main problem. The main problem is that accualy we want to know WHY som1 thinks this is bad, even if they do a -1 coz of a single rune, we would like to know that it is the runes we could swap for something better suited. The other part is ok, after a guide reaches -3 or -5 commenting the negatives could be disabled.
"Displaying the names of the first 5 people that voted, but once a build surpasses 5 it removes the names and only shows the totals. Perhaps posting a comment would hide your name. This might discourage abusive voters that down vote lots of builds at random."
Good idea but still as i wrote up there it doesnt solve the problem in 100%.
"Hide the score until a threshold number of votes is met. When there is only say 5 votes, the score is still relatively meaningless. After 5 votes the score becomes more meaningful and we can show it."
I TOTALY agree with this one. Untill 10 votes are made the guide would be considered "unscored" and will encourage ppl to check the guide anyway. Nowdays ppl might avoid even reading a -1'ed guide even if that -1 is the only vote there. TOTALY agree with this one.
"I'm really not a big fan of requiring comments because I feel like it will discourage voting overall and you'll wind up with a lot of 0 scores."
Well, if a person that "rates" the build has nothing to say, what is the reason on making that person vote even considered valid? I would even be a fan of disabling the voting and leaving only the comment part, but this will destroy the site and make it totaly chaotic. But still if you rate something that means you have your opinion on the guide/build. Its either positive or negative. if you dont have any opinion about the guide, you don't vote at all. Simple as that.
"If everyone was voting, then those few abusers would not matter, just a drop in the bucket."
It is not about this problem. (at least not from my perspective). Its the urge of knowing WHAT IS WRONG, with the guide.
"We are also considering "normalizing" scores. Instead of showing a straight number we could show a percentage. You would never have a negative score then, the only way to have a 0 score would be if EVERY vote was negative. If your score is 0 right now, that actually means your votes were 50/50, and so your normalized score would actually be 50%."
Normalizing like that would hurt the rating system alot. This will make guides that are scored +10 with 100votes worse than guide scored +3 with 3 votes and we dont want that dont we :)
We could make the voting ppl visible to the build owner only. Just an idea.
We could disable Thumb up or down, and leave only comments where you leave a comment and mark it as "positive" or "negative" (neutral?). This way we would swap the best build rating into build with most positive comments.
Any later on thoughts?
I appreciate your feedback! We will take it into consideration while we're deciding how to handle things. In the end we want to encourage more everything. More votes will give you scores that are more meaningful. More comments will give you a better idea on what people really think or how to improve. We want both, and don't want to discourage either.
Therefor it might encourage people to speak and write english when making builds and using english in game.
Please write in english! so we can all understand!
"I agree with removal of this "build" and i accept deleting my comment permanently."