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Restarting a guide with a clean sheet

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August 8, 2012 4:47am
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Nusaik » August 8, 2012 4:47am | Report
Hello MOBAFIRE.

I have made some good guides recently (top-5 worthy according to some of my friends), but I got troll votes on them because I forgot to turn on "require a comment to vote". Even with this turned on I got another troll vote by someone who obviously wanted his own guide for the same champion to get higher.

This means these guides now never get viewed by anyone and they don't have a fair chance to get upvotes and comments anymore.

So my question is: Can I delete these guides and publish them again without any votes? Archiving and unarchiving doesn't work because the votes and comments will just stay.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by jhoijhoi » August 8, 2012 6:46am | Report
If you'd like to start fresh, copy and paste the information into a new guide and archive the old one.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Canoas » August 8, 2012 6:49am | Report
You can archive them, create a new guide and copy all the text.

Don't be so quick to call each downvote a troll vote though. If someone has his own guide for the same champion then it only makes sense to downvote yours, as he thinks your guide is worse.
Other down votes may also be perfectly valid, the voters just didn't bother to reply. Usually this happens because once you downvote a guide the other dude might downvote yours as well, no matter how valid your reason was.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Nusaik » August 8, 2012 9:31am | Report
Canoas wrote:

You can archive them, create a new guide and copy all the text.

Don't be so quick to call each downvote a troll vote though. If someone has his own guide for the same champion then it only makes sense to downvote yours, as he thinks your guide is worse.
Other down votes may also be perfectly valid, the voters just didn't bother to reply. Usually this happens because once you downvote a guide the other dude might downvote yours as well, no matter how valid your reason was.

Yes I understand. I just think these were troll votes because my other guides, which were of equal or lower quality, got upvoted much more (nr 1 Galio guide and nr 5 Leona guide on MOBAFIRE). For these guides I did enable comment voting and got nothing but upvotes.

Also one guy just posted "I don't like Spirit Visage" on my Hecarim guide and downvoted. I noticed he published a Hecarim guide on the same day (yesterday). So this was an obvious troll vote and he hadn't read my guide at all (explaining my item choice and giving more options). I checked his guide and it was really short, full of videos he didn't make himself and grammar errors.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Canoas » August 8, 2012 10:12am | Report
Nothing but upvotes because while comment to vote is enabled people will risk getting downvotes on their guides if they leave a downvote on yours. The real score will be after the first 20 votes, where all votes come into play.

So, you can "restart" a guide, and with some luck it'll get past 80% before the 20 votes and will appear on the front page, gaining visibility. However, after those 20 votes, it will still get all the downvotes your previous guide had, as pretty much the same people will be voting.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by A Chubby Baby » August 8, 2012 5:30pm | Report
people actually do this quite often, so feel free to do so also.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Vapora Dark » August 10, 2012 1:14pm | Report
Yeah, if you truely feel that your guides don't have the score they deserve, then you should just archive them, create a new guide, and copy and paste everything over. First time I released my Warwick guide, it ended 56% in rating and nobody ever looked at it again. I tried again some other time, and this time, the very same guide got into the top 10 guides, reached 86% rating and was even the 2nd top WW guide until the C2V went off... It's been stuck somewhere around 78% since then.

Another example? First time I released my Talon guide it reached somewhere around 73%, then received tons of downvotes ( which later on I found out some were by fake accounts from another Talon guide owner, who thankfully got banned ), that eventually left the guide on 65% rating. Stop using mobafire, come back a few months later, re-release the guide with lots of changes, but the same build and the same principle and what happens? Currently the highest rated Talon guide on mobafire.

So yeah, if you truly think your guide has been ****ed by bad luck and it deserves a better score, then just re-release it, I don't think there's any rules against it, and you could be right about it deserving better.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by PsiGuard » August 11, 2012 1:20am | Report
Several of your guides barely have any votes at all. A couple upvotes and their ratings will soar quite quickly. You only need a handful of upvotes to get yourself into the top 10.

Judging from your guides, I don't think you should re-release any. Just get some people you know to look at it and hopefully upvote. You could also ask for a review in one of the review threads as those people often upvote your guide if it's good enough. If they don't like it, then perhaps there's something wrong with your guide and not the voters.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Pølsemanden » August 12, 2012 1:47am | Report
your guides are all pretty terrible.

You shouldn't create anymore before you DO actually know the champ, or just the game as a whole.
You aren't even bronze rating, so WHY - OHGODWHY would you think that you can teach a champ better than the 50% who are actually >bronze rating knowing at least part of their ****?
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Canoas » August 12, 2012 3:09pm | Report
because anyone can make guides and it's not that hard to create a good guide even if you know nothing of the char
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