My thoughts about nerfing wards

[quote=NicknameMy]Okay, okay, I understand. But I still think that whole ward hunt engine should be changed. Maybe replacing [[oracle's elixir]] with [[oracle's extract]] should help at that. And removing the gold granted by killing wards. Finally, [[hextech sweeper]] should be a nice item at summoners rift. You could also make the warding more dynamic if you lower the cost and duration by a bit. Something like that: [[sight ward]] Cost: 50 gold Click: Places an invisible ward with 1000 range. Lasts 2 minutes, Max: 5 Stacks. Now no longer grants gold to the killer. [[vision ward]] Cost: 100 gold Click: Places an invisible ward with 1000 range Magical Sight (see invisible units). Lasts 2 minutes, Max: 5 Stacks. Now no longer grants gold to the killer. [[oracle's elixir]] gets replaced by [[oracle's extract]] [[hextech sweeper]] is now avaibale at summoner's rift. Cooldown from active reduced to 30 seconds from 1 minute. [[scout]] Increase vision range of wards by 10%. Increase duration of wards by 15 seconds. I think like that ward's would be still very usefull, but you can't ward the total map because the duration is lowered by 1 minute(45 seconds with mastery). Still, the cost is also decreased, so you can buy more wards. (Another nerf to [[wriggle's lantern]], btw, but having all the time a ward up is near to OP)[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]Substituing Elixer for extract just makes ward clearing an even more agressive aspect...Now you only have 5 minutes to do what you used to do somewhat passively unless you were setting up for baron or dragon. I didn't mean to be harsh, I just feel your suggestions would hurt the game Nick :/[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]It increases the aggressiveness(what riot wants) in the game. Means support role needs more skill. And btw: Extract only costs near halve the amount of elixir. So you have 10 minutes. And ward clearing all the map is a shit engine, too... And a support could also get [[hextech sweeper]] and scout with that.[/quote]

[quote=koksei]me no likey[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=koksei] me no likey[/quote][/quote]

[quote=Jovy]Nah No way. I might consider some of these changes but Oracle's Elixir gets replaced by Oracle's Extract is a huge no-no. But since i play support it's like... nah, no nerfs needed, no nerfs wanted. They benefit junglers anyway.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy][quote]Originally Posted by Xypherous 2012-01-31 [re: stealth remake] Very Quick Summary Version Twitch needs work. Wards needs work. I'm not actually allowed to work on it with a 10 foot pole after I finished the basic mechanics - and I can't get on live to shepherd the process - so... yeah. Although, the rework is on PTR at the moment I believe.[/quote] So they already work on wards.[/quote]

[quote=TheJohn]So you're making wards useless They dont make junglers useless, on the contrary, many junglers can still dive in and the double can kill the solo person, or gank bot and kill both enemies. You're totally mistaken. Wards warn you that danger is coming, but that doesn't stop the jungler from ganking Cmon, 35 gold and 25 secs? Max 5, so you'll spend 175 gold to have the map warded for 125 secs, so it's better to avoid buying them at all, or you'd be just wating your money Vision wards are totally useless now, only if you're lucky enough to place it when the invisible bro tryes to gank you. Just no[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse]It's more likely that they'll add a support-item with the same active as Wriggle's, even if it becomes a must-buy, before they'll do sth as dumbfounded as making wards utterly useless. Just imagine: Domi Mid everywhere. Teemo or alternatively Shaco/Maokai MUST HAVE in any kind of team constellation... Srsly? No. But at least the remove of a perm Oracle is sth. they already thought about in the context of stealth-rework.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Teemo on every team? Pheaks wet dream.[/quote]