Talon Theorycrafting

[quote=UltimateHavok][quote=Temzilla] I'm trying to tell you guys. 3 dorans, into a Last Whisper, into 4 bloodthirsters, it's op as shit. Maybe throw in a ghost blade, but there's no reason to rush it. [quote=UltimateHavok] [quote=DuffTime] I can't believe there was ever any question that TF would be better than Frozen Mallet. It's just logic. To be honest though TF's not as good as I anticipated. Youmuu's/LW/Infinity Edge seems to be better. [/quote] ONCE AGAIN LOGIC PROVES ILLOGICAL BECAUSE TF SUCKS ON HIM [/quote] TF is great on Talon. It's just expensive as fuck. [/quote] I have to disagree. I've raped every Talon trying to build this. There's a few reason. It takes too long to build it. By the time you finally finish and move on, you're behind on damage and seriously lacking. Talon is about burst. There are better items for that, and for cheaper. I don't know, you guys can debate it all you want. But I've seen it, and I'm gonna stay with my opinion. lol[/quote]

[quote=Blydden]I know I'll be playing Talon hopefully for a long time. So I build: Boots of Speed + 3 Health Potions The Brutalizer Ionian Boots of Lucidity OR Mercury's Treads Youmuu's Ghostblade B.F. Sword The Bloodthirster Banshee's Veil Infinity Edge Last Whisper I don't like Frozen Mallet on Talon. You can just get a red buff and his passive is less noticeable than it should be. Trinity Force doesn't have the best synergy with him either. With Glyphs of Focus and Sorcery (no magic pen) in the offense tree, this build gives me ALMOST 40% CDR.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=UltimateHavok] I have to disagree. I've raped every Talon trying to build this. There's a few reason. It takes too long to build it. By the time you finally finish and move on, you're behind on damage and seriously lacking. Talon is about burst. There are better items for that, and for cheaper. I don't know, you guys can debate it all you want. But I've seen it, and I'm gonna stay with my opinion. lol [/quote] NO SHIT BRO? I just said "IT'S EXPENSIVE" that's why you beat people rushing it, it's EXPENSIVE. Not because it's bad, not because it doesn't give you burst (It's the best burst item in the game for him...) TF is fucking awesome on Talon, but its not cheap.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]Can we just agree to this "Tri Force or FM are both viable options DEPENDING ON YOUR SITUATION". TF can provide more burst whereas FM will provide more sustained bonus damage. Talon is an assassin but this meta doesn't really show love for a squishy burst champ (unless you're akali but she gets quite hard to kill with Spell Vamp). I think a reliable core can go 2 ways HIGH BURST ASSASSIN: Zerker TF Ghost Blade IE Some sort of life steal QSS (Quick Silver Sash) SUSTAINED FIGHTER: Zerker FM Ghost Blade Atma's QSS Some sort of life steal Both sound good on paper, one clearly built for an assassin the other for an off tanky fighter type.[/quote]

[quote=Pwnzor1130]I typically go a build with an immense amount of CDR and a couple of tanky items (i get focused a lot + exhausted :*(). I typically build something like this: youmuu's IBoL FM atma's QSS IE if they don't have exhaust and/or light on CC: youmuu's IBoL FM atma's IE BT[/quote]

[quote=UltimateHavok][quote=Temzilla] [quote=UltimateHavok] I have to disagree. I've raped every Talon trying to build this. There's a few reason. It takes too long to build it. By the time you finally finish and move on, you're behind on damage and seriously lacking. Talon is about burst. There are better items for that, and for cheaper. I don't know, you guys can debate it all you want. But I've seen it, and I'm gonna stay with my opinion. lol [/quote] NO SHIT BRO? I just said "IT'S EXPENSIVE" that's why you beat people rushing it, it's EXPENSIVE. Not because it's bad, not because it doesn't give you burst (It's the best burst item in the game for him...) TF is fucking awesome on Talon, but its not cheap. [/quote] You do realize though, that the price of an item can be an important factor in whether it is a viable option on a champion? For example, the reason in some games they'll have a lane with the support taking no CS while letting their carry have it all? It is to help the carry reach their build faster and afford their items, while the support goes a cheaper item route while still being effective. TF is NOT awesome on Talon, because it takes too long to build and by the time it is built he is behind and lacks the burst power he needs to secure kills well. He can still get them, but I have found him to be seriously lacking if trying to rush a TF. There are much better items that can be bought for him for less money. This is why TF is not very viable on Talon. If you want to build a TF on Talon, you can not play him as a burst assassin and find another role for him, however I believe that is the role he best fills.[/quote]

[quote=UltimateHavok]Ok, after looking more into it and tryin some new stuff out I was wrong. I still would never rush TF, but getting it mid to late game works great. Or at least getting sheen mid game. I built a TF in late game and it just wrecked shit.[/quote]