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Game Intuition for ADCs Q & A

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Game Intuition for ADCs

Posted by Embracing on March 6, 2013 2:06am +Rep
As an ADC, where does most of the knowledge come from when thinking about engaging a fight?

Like, how do I know which engages result in no deaths, etc?

Does the knowledge come from knowledge from extensively playing each ADC and support? Or does it come from experience as playing one specific ADC / support?

Just curious.

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By Meiyjhe on March 6, 2013 2:18am +Rep
In order to understand when you can engage or not, you will need to know:
* [YP] You and your allies position
* [EP] The enemy position (especially with junglers and stuff)
* [YS] You and your ally current situation (CD's, mana, health, all other stats)
* [ES] The enemy current situation (CD's, mana, health, all other stats)

The positions are quite obvious. If the enemy is obviously out of position, they are an easy kill. If they are guarded by a turret or something, they are quite harder to kill ;P

In order to know your own current situation, you should have certain expierences with the champion you are playing right now. Of course, since we are talking about Embracing, I assume it is in ranked, which means you already have certain expierence with that champion.

In order to know the enemy current situation, you should have expierence with the champions the enemy is playing right now. You will know a lot more of enemy champions once you played them once yourself.

Since the formula to victorious engage = YP + EP + YS + ES
You will need to know both your own champion in-depth as knowing all the enemies in a broad way, you will need to have good expierence with one champion and play other champions once in a while.
"Balance in all things" - Akali, Kennen, Irelia

PS: I am sure you know this already, but of course it would be nice to master multiple ADC's / supports anyway, since counterpicking really can turn around a match.
Embracing By Embracing on March 6, 2013 6:27am +Rep
Yeah, good analysis though! I'm sure it'd help people who are newer to the game ^ ^
Meiyjhe By Meiyjhe on March 6, 2013 7:11am +Rep
:D

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By PsiGuard on March 6, 2013 9:48am +Rep
Well in my experience, Ashe and Varus are the only ADs that you'll actually see initiating some fights. Even then it's more catching someone out of position than a straight up initiate unless your team is ahead. Most of the time it'll be your support or jungler (maybe top laner) who initiates, so you don't have to worry about finding the right time to do it as an ADC.

The way I team fight with ADCs is to be as cautious as possible without being forced out of autoattacking at all. If you're playing Miss Fortune or Varus you'll have to worry about getting a well-positioned ultimate off, but other than that most ADCs will be just kiting backwards and attacking whoever is closest to them. Whether it was a good engage or not, that's the general plan.

I think the best thing you can do to improve your team fighting as an ADC is to learn a few champions well and get a lot of experience with them. Experience helps you make more accurate judgment calls because you're more aware of the limits of your champion and yourself at any stage in the game. For example, an inexperienced Tristana player might panic and blow W or ult when a bruiser is bearing down on her, but an experienced player might know that they can just activate BotRK, kite for a second, then kill the bruiser without wasting any escape spells. DPS efficiency (making sure you don't stop autoing if possible) and conserving your escapes separate good team fighting ADCs from bad ones. The rest is positioning, which just takes practice.

Hope that answers your question.
A Chubby Baby By A Chubby Baby on March 7, 2013 4:08am +Rep
Thanks!
Embracing By Embracing on March 7, 2013 4:27am +Rep
mhm agree with most

mostly meant for early ~ mid game skirmishes at bot lane (like when would i try to go all-in) but ur answer was nice too
PsiGuard By PsiGuard on March 7, 2013 5:32pm +Rep
For earlier fights I'd say it's mostly knowledge of your own ADC and his or her damage capabilities. Knowing the limits of your support and your opponents is helpful too, but usually your support is just going to CC the enemies so you can hit them or buff you. You can usually get a sense of enemy damage output in the game itself. Knowing how long it'll take for you to output a given amount of damage is really important, so I'd say it's mostly practicing with your champion.
Embracing By Embracing on March 8, 2013 2:59am +Rep
aight ty
^ ^

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By Nighthawk on March 6, 2013 9:00am +Rep
Can you win against them in trades? If yes, you can probably kill them. If no, farm up, get some items, if you can trade with them, refer back to point A. Positioning is also key.

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