Last Whisper

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]LW is better damage against people who buy over 150-ish armor, but your Caster is likely to tear them to shreds anyways (MrPen is cheaper than ArPen and people start out with less flat MR).[/quote]

[quote=Jebus McAzn][quote]Black Cleaver is the way to go [u]on carries that rely 99% on AAs to deal physical damage[/u] too. I consider it the way to go on champions like Tristana, Corki and Vayne. For the other carries I'm still using LW. [/quote] This is a summary of every useful post that's been made in this thread. It's something that I hope Jet, Evildice, and Xaioli would agree with, and it sums up what high ELO does - obviously you get LW on champions with physical based abilities like Urgot, Caitlyn, Ashe, etc.[/quote]

[quote=NeoHarri][quote=Dante Rebellion] #3 Shaco - 189 Armour - LW wins (due to his quickness at disappearing, a single quick nuke is generally needed, as opposed to several AA's) Stop smoking please, Shaco is so dependent on AA. TBC > LW on Shaco... TBC is also godly on renekton, it has such a great sync with his W [/quote] Against, not for. I probably should of stated it, but I thought people would at least use common sense, since I added armour onto the list. [quote]@NeoHarri Wat da fuck are you on about? The Black Cleaver's armor reduction is totally useless for Urgot.[/quote] Wat da fuck are you on about? Or can you not read? ''Although some characters usage can be situational, I'd rather play LW on Urgot, to go with his chucky 20% from E as well.'' I don't even see a mention of BFC in that sentence. All in all it does depend on what character you are playing, but there is little to no point in using a BFC on someone who has stacked 300 armour, because 4/5 of your team-mates insta-locked AD.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]My point being that TBC is TOTALLY USELESS on Urgot as opposed to most other carries. Thus; no reason to even consider any other item than LW.[/quote]

[quote=NeoHarri][quote=Searz] My point being that TBC is TOTALLY USELESS on Urgot as opposed to most other carries. Thus; no reason to even consider any other item than LW. [/quote] Yes, hence why I said I'd much rather use LW on him. But if the whole enemiy team [b]don't[/b] buy armour, it could be replaced by BFC, or ignored completely, and instead replaced with a much better offensive item, although the chance of no-one building armour is ridiculously low. And yes, I do accept your apology. Next time, don't go into rage mode when you haven't even read what people say properly.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]What apology? What rage mode? [img=http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h408/Searz/LastWhispervsBloodthirsteronUrgot.png] LW is [u]always[/u] better than BT.[/quote]

[quote=NeoHarri][quote=Searz] What apology? What rage mode? [img=http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h408/Searz/LastWhispervsBloodthirsteronUrgot.png] LW is [u]always[/u] better than BT. [/quote] Where the heck did you pull the BT from? Are you not aware of this conversation at all? It is about [b]LAST WHISPER[/b] and [B]THE BLACK CLEAVER[/B]. [quote]Yes, hence why I said I'd much rather use LW on him. But if the whole enemiy team don't buy armour, it could be replaced by BFC, or ignored completely, and instead replaced with a much better offensive item, although the chance of no-one building armour is ridiculously low. And yes, I do accept your apology. Next time, don't go into rage mode when you haven't even read what people say properly.[/quote] See, no mention of [b]BLOODTHIRSTER[/b], at all. You can show me all the graphs you like which have nothing to do with that I am saying, but it's not helpful in any shape or form.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]BFC: meaning Big F*ckin Cleaver?[/quote]

[quote=Searz]Point being that even BT that has 100AD can't compare to LW. But really? You autoattack with Urgot? Gz..[/quote]

[quote=NeoHarri][quote=Searz] Point being that even BT that has 100AD can't compare to LW. But really? You autoattack with Urgot? Gz.. [/quote] Of course it can't, not when LW has suck an amount of ArP. And yes, how else do you want me to get last hits and kill buffs? In reference to using AA's to kill champs, the only time I would AA is if I went through a bush, and met a low health champ, who I could AA and Q for the kill. Your also forgetting BFC is global, so it becomes a lot more valuable in team fights if you have 3/4 AD. You may be losing damage yourself, but instead your increasing others damage by more than your losing. This is obviously null and void if one of the other AD's have BFC. Anyway this is starting to drag on, and you've clearly missed the whole point. I originally stated I'd rather use LW on Urgot, and now your trying to twist it to me saying BFC/BT, where as I don't think that at all. I'm just pointing out how BFC could be useful in certain instances, something people need to accept, instead of thinking that 1 single item is the most amazing thing for their character. You have to adapt to your enemy team, [b]AND[/b] your own team.[/quote]