Vayne: Max Condemn First. Why?

[quote=caucheka]yeah they reduced damage on condemned because people were just using it to 'shoot the guy' for the damage and not for the stun.[/quote]

[quote=The Angry Cookie]In this case its probably not very viable anymore. I would need to see the new number[/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK]As I just said, it is updated now...I updated it while you were doing the math lol and as I just said too...both guides still max [[Condemn]] first...the whole purpose of this thread T_T damage was reduced a little, still does the most damage early game though I'm pretty sure. Also, @BMB, bad idea because it increases damage scaling with MAX HP, but early game, people aren't going to be getting much HP nor have much HP to start with...so each level of it might increase the damage on your third shot by 10 or so, versus much more with your E, even with your Q. Scales better late game, since leveling [[Silver Bolts]] once may increase the damage dealt to a tank/offtank/anyone building HP by 100 or so, and keep in mind the damage is TRUE so it ignores resistances; a big late game advantage, also keep in mind that in early laning phase most people don't really have resistances so it won't be all that useful. @Cookie, http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/champion/vayne-76 all abilities are correct now.[/quote]

[quote=The Angry Cookie]I still seeing it being worth it.. you now have 115ish with tumble to 300ish with condemn.. As long as you dont have problems with the mana.. It has a longer cooldown but still allows for easier burst kills with less escape percentage..[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport]I like to max out [[Condemn]] first, because of the burst. It's also a FAR better defensive ability then Tumble. If there's a jungler comes to gank in lane, Condemn can be as good as Flash in putting distance between the two of you when the others aren't as much of a threat. [[Tumble]] only starts to shine mid game. If I notice the enemies building health early on, I'll rank up [[Silver Bolts]] early. But that's only if they start breaking over 2000 health. [quote=theBMB] I actually prefer maxing silver bolts first[/quote] The damage is worthless early game and only has any value late game when enemies actually bother to buy defensive items and the tanks get stacked. Better to have Tumble and Condemn raised, as they scale with your AD, and improve your physical dps.[/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK]^exactly my thoughts, thanks for confirming ^^[/quote]

[quote=EvilDice]Soloing mid? Max tumble. Bot lane with a support? Max condemn. The walls in bot lane are easy to hit and you are going to have a ton of burst early game.[/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK]Wai solo mid with Vayne though :( AD range support bot is SO AMAZING.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]^My thoughts exactly. Vayne needs the support bot. She doesn't have the best early game because, I can force her out of lane as free week Ez... Anyway, she's really only good once she hits six. Before that, she's pretty worthless. If I played Vayne, I'd max condemn first for the damage and, like Jun said, the flash-like quality of it.[/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK][quote=Lugignaf] Before that, she's pretty worthless. [/quote] Wrong. Dude, early game Vayne is a BEAST when everyone is squishy, your poke is SO HARD. I got a double kill bot ranked yesterday with her at level 2 or 3...lol.[/quote]