Best AP mids vs assasins?

[quote=Vapora Dark]Xerath does horrible vs AD assassins. Good picks are Ryze, Rumble, Swain, Malphite and Vladimir. Vs Talon at least, Mord has an early advantage, but later on when Talon's got his full burst and some AD he takes the advantage. Mord's shield counters harass, not burst. A [b]well played[/b] Orianna can be troublesome too, for Talon at least. But I usually pick Talon into her anyway knowing barely anyone plays the match-up right.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][[Viktor]] can hold off against any of them except [[Talon]] really. If they try to get close you basically just [[Gravity field]] and hurt them a lot. [[Talon]] bypasses this with his silence, but by playing safely he can at least do ok in lane, but runs the risk of him roaming.[/quote]

[quote=SunnyLi]Do you think diana is ok against ad assassin?she can be pretty tanky and she is also an assassin..[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod]I assume she can do ok, can't be really sure. Only AD mid I faced with her in ranked was a [[jarvan iv]] and all I had to do was shield myself pre-6 and roam post-6.[/quote]

[quote=Krazzi]Cloth and 5 pots on any standard AP caster. Morde, Elise, Cho, Kayle are also really good champions vs bruisers.[/quote]

[quote=Wheew EUW]I like picking Galio and getting countered by talon. Get a bit of armour and get a few levels in W. U use Q, ty for full hp. I'm gonna say u pick a bruiser vs the assasins and piss them off, then send a rumble/singed top for ap damage. Darius/Jarvan/Lee Will stomp a Talon or Panth as far as i know.[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark][quote=Wheew EUW] I like picking Galio and getting countered by talon. Get a bit of armour and get a few levels in W. U use Q, ty for full hp. I'm gonna say u pick a bruiser vs the assasins and piss them off, then send a rumble/singed top for ap damage. Darius/Jarvan/Lee Will stomp a Talon or Panth as far as i know. [/quote] It's a shame Talon is a counter-pick, and no smart player would pick Talon before the enemy team has already locked in their AP carry. ;) Edit: And bruiser Galio < AP Galio. Even if you counter him, your late-game is still gonna be weaker than it would have been otherwise, and Talon still has the chance to snowball by roaming.[/quote]

[quote=Sacre][quote=Foo18] [quote=IceCreamy] [[Ryze]], [[Morgana]] and [[Xerath]] sound like good ideas, but I will be honest and say I've never actually tried it. [/quote] lol, I think you picked the worst three. I have found [[anivia]] is my favorite, though I also like [[Vladimir]] and [[annie]]. [/quote] why would u ever call [[ryze]]bad vs ad? If you ever played ihm top, he beats almost any ad bruiser, u get early crystal and you zone them to death, if they engage u just prison because most assasins once go in they can't just fly back and ryze is most effective when people attack you. Almost no ad champion can outrade ryze alone especially in late game, Only if he gets shut down but that's what u have to learn when playing ryze, playing safe until certain level. As for topic : Anivia is terrible vs ads, Vlad can only get shutdown early until she starts to heal like mad when he gets revolver, annie can work but usually doesn't because she gets zoned. Lux is pretty good because u have shield , snare and long range so u can stay pretty safe in lane. If you look for trades and fights, you probably want to go swain because he's almost like bruiser ap, he's pretty sustained, has cc and really nice poke in lane which most ad bruiser can't outsustain because they don't have it until they get life steal. Cassiopeia is for the same reason really good, you have long range poke and she's really good vs melee champions, if they engage u, use ult and stuff.They also don't hve escape tool so u can keep trading when they're running and their cc is on cd, tho cassio can have problems vs someone like talon. Mordekaiser is amazing vs bruisers, poke them all day never lose trades because of shield and u can shove them pretty hard so they can't engage u because minions are at their tower(don't forget to ward rivers tho). Elise is also pretty good, her poke and escape tools are really good vs ad because they have to run straight into you and you just use stun or reppel to escape.[/quote]

[quote=Sacre][quote=SunnyLi] Do you think diana is ok against ad assassin?she can be pretty tanky and she is also an assassin.. [/quote] she can farm safely but she can also get zoned early and she can't trade with them until she gets level 6. Once you do you can easily beat them because u get beefy and u do really good damage. Before 6 u can just let them push u to tower or just farm with q from range. You shouldn't allow yourself to get harrased because u won't be able to win trades because asassins are powerful early and diana just isn't.[/quote]