you are bronze II. you can make it out. just keep practicing. play a lot of games. try to improve and play snowball champs that can hard carry. if you were bronze IV or V i would probably say you are f&*ked.
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I may sound like I'm repeating my self on the forums but: Here is what I want you to do.
Every time you play a game on summoners rift I want you to stop after the game and focus on all the mistakes that you have made. There are so many missed plays by even good players that these mistakes will/should be very evident.
Stuff like:
Did I lose lane? How? Why? Did I get counter picked or was there something in my build that could be better? Why is my CS low? Why is my damage low? Why did we lose team fights? Could I have made calls to help the team avoid mistakes?
Things like this are important to think about if your truly interested in being a better player. This is called critical thinking, and you need this to succeed. You have to understand going forward what the best solution would have been. Do this one thing in addition to good CS, and you can reach any tier you want.
Every time you play a game on summoners rift I want you to stop after the game and focus on all the mistakes that you have made. There are so many missed plays by even good players that these mistakes will/should be very evident.
Stuff like:
Did I lose lane? How? Why? Did I get counter picked or was there something in my build that could be better? Why is my CS low? Why is my damage low? Why did we lose team fights? Could I have made calls to help the team avoid mistakes?
Things like this are important to think about if your truly interested in being a better player. This is called critical thinking, and you need this to succeed. You have to understand going forward what the best solution would have been. Do this one thing in addition to good CS, and you can reach any tier you want.
I agree with bioalchemist: If your very accustomed to having your teammates feed then you might have to play more "snowbally" champions that can carry the game on their own, which are usually assassins like le blanc, Zed, Fizz, etc. That and/or try to tell your lanes to play real safe, it is easier for you to carry if your other lanes are going even and you are winning your lane. Duoing is also an ok idea, not saying you should start looking for diamond buddies -_- like some of my friends, but sometimes having some one you know kinda lifts the burdens off your shoulders and may make winning easier for you since you two will probably will be more in sync, especially if you know that they will be fine. O and never base your skills on an elo, like saying I deserve to be in this division, ect., because you may think you should be in silver but trust me silver 5 people, besides the fact they can probably CS better, are just as skilled as bronze 1, and even 2, players. So my final advice I guess would be just don't give up and know how to help your team, if your team needs help do a few roams, other wise pressure any and every objective there is.
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Zed, Fizz, etc. That and/or try to tell your lanes to play real safe, it is easier for you to carry if your other lanes are going even and you are winning your lane. Duoing is also an ok idea, not saying you should start looking for diamond buddies -_- like some of my friends, but sometimes having some one you know kinda lifts the burdens off your shoulders and may make winning easier for you since you two will probably will be more in sync, especially if you know that they will be fine. O and never base your skills on an elo, like saying I deserve to be in this division, ect., because you may think you should be in silver but trust me silver 5 people, besides the fact they can probably CS better, are just as skilled as bronze 1, and even 2, players. So my final advice I guess would be just don't give up and know how to help your team, if your team needs help do a few roams, other wise pressure any and every objective there is.Dam... thats long. Sry :P
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I just realised i will probably never ever get out of bronze.
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I feel like i would not deserve to be bronze 1, honestly i do believe my skills would be appropriate to maybe silver V or IV.
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I carry maybe all my games i play, sometimes i play better sometimes worse of course. But i just cant carry my team to victory
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If you are fed but no one from your team is, and the whole enemy team is fed, how are you supposed to carry?
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I know what i have to do to win, i know when to attack and when to defend etc.
On that note, you shouldn't be focused on winning. you should be focused on getting better. If you deserve to be silver, then you will be silver. that's how it works. Right now you are Bronze, so that's what you deserve. End of story. when you prove to be a silver player will be put in Silver league. Until then get better. Work on your mechanics. Practice map awareness. Learn timings. Master trading.
If all else fails, watch this. It definitely kicked my of my high horse when it came to this kind of thing.
You're probably playing weak champions, going even in lane with bad mechanics. You know, bronze.
Either improve your mechanics, change your champion lineup, or play for fun and stop worrying.
Or send me a PM and we can work out a deal.
Either improve your mechanics, change your champion lineup, or play for fun and stop worrying.
Or send me a PM and we can work out a deal.
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When you're really ready to get out of bronze, you'll know. I climbed out of silver, and gold divisions the same way, and so did my friends.
You'll be stuck hovering in the middle of bronze 1, and then you'll just go on like 6 game win streak or something ridiculous like that.
I have three philosophies that i've learned from soloqueue outside of the game itself.
[*]The first is something called the 3 game rule. The rule is that if you lose 3 games in a row, you should take a break - certainly a couple hours, but i'd just say for the night. The rule also states that if you win 3 games in a row, you should try to keep on playing. In my experience, much of my recent success has come from getting the most from my win streaks, and losing the least from my losing streaks.
[*]The second thing i've learned is the 45/30 % rule. Basically, the rule is to trust your own spidey senses. If you're finished with champ select, and the final countdown begins, gauge your odds of winning the game - based the your team composition, and their team composition. If you have a bad feeling about the game, or you think that you have less than a 45% (30% if you have already queue dodged once) chance of winning your game, queue dodge (unless you're in a promo series, or stuck at 0 LP). Don't even second guess yourself. You'll lose something pathetic like 3 LP, but it's better to lose that than gamble against the odds to win 18 or so LP.
[*]The last philosophy i've learned is to come into every game with a calm mindset, and leave every game with a calm mindset. Attitude is more important than you think. Judging from this forum post, it looks like you kinda have a little bit of a defeatist mindset. Making an effort to improve that mindset really goes a long way in terms of your quality of play. It'll make you go on tilt less frequently. Plus, it'll make you enjoy the game more. A good place to start looking for help would be talking to meiyjhe if you're on the EUW server. While I've never talked with him in person before, but i just know he'll be able to help you out. If you're on the NA server, come join our next inhouse and talk with natedog for a bit. In my opinion, he's probably one of the best teachers that we have on mobafire. He's helped me improve my gameplay & mindset, along with OTG's. I'm sure there are many more people that i'm forgetting to mention as well.
You'll be stuck hovering in the middle of bronze 1, and then you'll just go on like 6 game win streak or something ridiculous like that.
I have three philosophies that i've learned from soloqueue outside of the game itself.
[*]The first is something called the 3 game rule. The rule is that if you lose 3 games in a row, you should take a break - certainly a couple hours, but i'd just say for the night. The rule also states that if you win 3 games in a row, you should try to keep on playing. In my experience, much of my recent success has come from getting the most from my win streaks, and losing the least from my losing streaks.
[*]The second thing i've learned is the 45/30 % rule. Basically, the rule is to trust your own spidey senses. If you're finished with champ select, and the final countdown begins, gauge your odds of winning the game - based the your team composition, and their team composition. If you have a bad feeling about the game, or you think that you have less than a 45% (30% if you have already queue dodged once) chance of winning your game, queue dodge (unless you're in a promo series, or stuck at 0 LP). Don't even second guess yourself. You'll lose something pathetic like 3 LP, but it's better to lose that than gamble against the odds to win 18 or so LP.
[*]The last philosophy i've learned is to come into every game with a calm mindset, and leave every game with a calm mindset. Attitude is more important than you think. Judging from this forum post, it looks like you kinda have a little bit of a defeatist mindset. Making an effort to improve that mindset really goes a long way in terms of your quality of play. It'll make you go on tilt less frequently. Plus, it'll make you enjoy the game more. A good place to start looking for help would be talking to meiyjhe if you're on the EUW server. While I've never talked with him in person before, but i just know he'll be able to help you out. If you're on the NA server, come join our next inhouse and talk with natedog for a bit. In my opinion, he's probably one of the best teachers that we have on mobafire. He's helped me improve my gameplay & mindset, along with OTG's. I'm sure there are many more people that i'm forgetting to mention as well.
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PROBLEM 1: Attitude. If you don't believe you will ever be higher than what you are then you won't ever be higher than what you are. Set the goal, mean it and work for it.
PROBLEM 2: Entitlement. THis doesn't get you anywhere and actually pisses people off. I know because I made this same arguement towards the end of the last season. I made arguements like "I am beating Silvers regularly," "I have more MMR than this Silver player here," and many more like this. It gets you no where, and you shouldn't waste energy on this type of thing.
PROBLEM 3: Carrying doesn't mean what you think it means. if you are carrying your team then you are winning. If you aren't winning then you are not carrying the game.
Legit answer to the question. Play safe, place wards to catch people out, and farm back into the game. This can be frustrating and it requires a ton of patience to get done right. In all honesty you can be told what to do, but you still have to learn it.
Attacking and Defending isn't winning. Attacking is attacking. Defending is defending. Winning is winning. If you are having problems with winning you don't know how to win.
On that note, you shouldn't be focused on winning. you should be focused on getting better. If you deserve to be silver, then you will be silver. that's how it works. Right now you are Bronze, so that's what you deserve. End of story. when you prove to be a silver player will be put in Silver league. Until then get better. Work on your mechanics. Practice map awareness. Learn timings. Master trading.
If all else fails, watch this. It definitely kicked my of my high horse when it came to this kind of thing.
Very well put!
If you have trouble identifying how you lost, try recording your games with LoLReplay or fraps or something. Look over the game and do a commentary. You'd be surprised at the things you're missing. On top of this, send it to other players to evaluate and get feedback on your play.
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If you have trouble identifying how you lost, try recording your games with LoLReplay or fraps or something. Look over the game and do a commentary. You'd be surprised at the things you're missing. On top of this, send it to other players to evaluate and get feedback on your play.
This is very true and a highly underused tool to get better. If you re-watch the game with a critical mindset you'll notice all kinds of mistakes being made.
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I just realised i will probably never ever get out of bronze. After my provisional matches i got placed at bronze 1, i have been demoted twice, been on promo to silver twice, been on promo to bronze 1 twice. I feel like i would not deserve to be bronze 1, honestly i do believe my skills would be appropriate to maybe silver V or IV.
I carry maybe all my games i play, sometimes i play better sometimes worse of course. But i just cant carry my team to victory, i mean how do you do it? If you are fed but no one from your team is, and the whole enemy team is fed, how are you supposed to carry? note, this part is not whining, its a legitimate question ive been craving an answer for. I know what i have to do to win, i knwo when to attack and when to defend etc. And i really do believe i should be on silver, probably lower tiers since im not that good.
Also, i dont know if anyone else has this but i get insane losing streaks. Like i have 2-3 good games, and then i have 4-5 bad games and get demoted (has happened twice). Is there some pro trick to negate this? Every time i get demoted i get to promo very quickly, and on bronze 1 i usually have around 60-80 points, but then i get a losing streak and lose everything and this makes me frustrated.
I dont like blaming other people for losing games, but its very frustrating that i play ealry very good and win my lane but my teammates can never hold their end of the bargain. Even if i ganked their lane after i have pushed my turret its no use since later on they will just dive in the middle of the enemy team because they think that after a few kills they are OP. Okay thats that, note that i do not generally blame no one else than me for losing games, but i still feel like i am above the skill level of bronze and deserved to be atleast in silver V, but those damn losing streaks keep me from my goal.
EDIT: I realise that this thread doesnt really have a point but i made it because i just wanted to pour out my aggression somewhere so i can sleep :D feel free to relieve your lol stress int his thread and tips and advices from high elo players are always welcome.