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Since Alistar's Shard of True Ice already gives enough MP5 and Heimerdinger probably won't have mana troubles late-game anyway, the Athene's Unholy Grail and Doran's Ring should be traded for a Liandry's Torment because of Rylai's Crystal Scepter already giving a slow and a Warmog's Armor for tankiness or Rod of Ages; if so, the Rod should be rushed.
Thanks for the constructive comment.
You have pointed out some good topics that should be also clarified: Balancing Mana Regen. and building most effective end-game items. They will be detailed soon under 2 different topics.
Wrong. That's just you being bad.
You are pretty damn lazy :)
Your skill order was not completely filled in at the time I read your guide.
You have flat armor blues on cow and scaling armor yellows on Heim.
Thanks for the comment. We need to expand this guide a lot more, but i guess we can clarify this topic now.
Choice of different runes are on a purpose, because Heimerdinger builds himself for late game while Alistar covers him. One of them should be able to shield surprise damage that can be done till Heimerdinger makes his first base recall and gains some level till doing that.
If you guys can say "We wont ever die in early game, thats not possible cause we are really good.", then you can build Alistar with scaling Armor + Magic Ressist runes.
Our recommended runes are for most of the players that will try out this build. Top players may try harder beginnings.
Thank you for your comment but i i'd like to ask you some questions.
What do you mean by "incomplete"? We done that for a purpose first but we edited now with our classic ability tree again.
Can you explain "wrong runes"?
Gold per sec runes+mysteries are essential for Alistar, if you mean it. And about Heim, magic penetration is for the late game, which suits better then flat ap runes. We dont see any wrong point in this. So if you can explain what do you mean, we can argue that and change it if its necessary.
Your skill order was not completely filled in at the time I read your guide.
You have flat armor blues on cow and scaling armor yellows on Heim.
Well this is something I never thought of before 0_0
cant really attack Alistar if hes in the midst of heims turrets, and ali can force you into them if you aren't cautious enough. Will try it sometime and see how it goes :)
Bye the way when that guy commented:
-Yeah, though he probably didn't care much for this guide, he was just pointing out the speeling error in the title. If that's intentional then whatever-
+respect for breaking the meta :)
Thank you for your comment. I see where i failed now lol! I'll edit it now.
Btw I really recommend you to try it with a friend on skype or something like that, it can be really fun and effective at the same time if you can work in harmony.
cant really attack Alistar if hes in the midst of heims turrets, and ali can force you into them if you aren't cautious enough. Will try it sometime and see how it goes :)
Bye the way when that guy commented:
-Yeah, though he probably didn't care much for this guide, he was just pointing out the speeling error in the title. If that's intentional then whatever-
+respect for breaking the meta :)
"A Rare Stong Bot Lane"
Thank you for your comment.
We are playing this combo for quite a long time. And yes its rare and strong. You should give it a try if you are interted in my friend. Its not good for you to criticize before trying it, or fighting againts it. Still, if you think you can fix guide, please let us hear you, so we may edit it.
Since the days I started playing Heimerdinger I have always dreamed ot this combo. Alistar pretty much eliminates every kind of weakness of his little friend and together their power to push is almost unstoppable. It is really unbelievably strong. You can get an inhib at 10 minutes. Sadly they nerfed the jungle alistar to the point where a duo lane is the only way to execute this combo. And removed Promote again. Invite me if you play this, I love it.
You should improve your guide (Coding, Text, Cheat Sheet) and you have to include Banner of Command !!!
Btw. another really strong duo lane is Skarner (AP) - Nunu & Willump (AP).
Thank you for your detailed comment.
I agree with you in most points, and yes i should definitely include Banner of Command as well. I will edit as soon as possible.
We are new to mobafire guide writing, so i'll learn and upgrade code, text, cheat-sheet soon.