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LeBlanc Build Guide by Lissu

AP Carry The Glamorous Deceiver - In-Depth Guide.

AP Carry The Glamorous Deceiver - In-Depth Guide.

Updated on August 23, 2014
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LTH92 | December 6, 2014 12:19am
trust me, it really DOES hurt to see You max Q over W . REALLY HURTS.
This is why: (sorry for my bad English):
Q increase 1 level: increase 50 Base Damage, no increase AP scaling
W increase 1 level: increase 40 Base Damage, no increase AP scaling
----> so small
Q + E combo: Always has 1.4 AP (0.8 from Q and 0.6 from W, and that is the same between maxing Q and maxing E)
And you never use only Q, because it deal half damage without trigger (no mana effective) always Q + W combo
Maxing W help reduce W cooldown, so you can use your combo more
And W is everything: better wave clear, reposition, escape, chase, AOE (Q is singer target)...
So why maxing Q over W ?
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Rorin (1) | August 22, 2014 11:00am
So...here's my opinion.
-Very little explanation. What explanation exists is mostly preferential opinion.
-Not a lot of detail in the match-up sections.
-W is usually the default max, with some situations making Q a better choice.
-Liandry's Torment is a burn item with health built in, not something I would equip on an assassin -who is built to deal a huge amount of damage at once.
-Runes are "meh". I've seen better, and I've seen worse.
-No mention of Void Staff. This is an item that counters any early rush to MR and provides a good amount of utility for a single item.
-The starting outfit is sub-optimal. Flask gives better regeneration and additional mana. The Crystal does give you HP that can't be reduced by ignite (I.E. It's not "Healing" as much as "padding"), but any mid-lane standard champion can shred this with a simple ability+autoattack. Also, ignite is saved for when you're in death range, so the crystal does nothing to stop this but give you a cooldown cycle. For most champions: this isn't long and they can just AA you twice to remove that padding.
-Another thing, W is your primary escape. Not maxing it means a longer cooldown. This means a good jungler will see you use Distortion and come running. Now your only means of escape is FLASH.
-Also, no good buildpath. You put a first back and core items. Without explanation about what items to build in matchups/lane situations (such as a camping jungler), a buildpath tells what PRIORITIES you should have.
-The background skin reminds me of Gene Simmons. I prefer the original :P
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Lissu | August 22, 2014 10:02am
I never said i don't want to learn and improve myself as I confirmed that earlier, and you are right, language barriers are making it hard, for YOU to know what people are trying to say to you. Point out where I said i don't want to be better? Point out when you said what you mean by Charms mechanism? I do what I do and how I do. And it makes me sad for people like you just trying to change meanings of another person's statements all the time.
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sirell (400) | August 22, 2014 9:51am
Think you're being smart? Sad.

Nah, language barriers are making it really hard for you to understand me, so there's no point continuing. It's just a waste of my time.

It's okay, I don't really care about your guide - it's not doing well and no one's really gonna listen to it anyway. If you don't want to learn how to play the game better, that's on you as well.
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Lissu | August 22, 2014 9:38am
Surrendered? Sad.
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sirell (400) | August 22, 2014 9:23am
Never mind.
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Lissu | August 22, 2014 9:01am
sirell wrote:

That's not what I said. If you don't aim to improve, then you won't get better at the game. My duoqueue partner started off as Bronze in Season 2. He's now Diamond 1 50+LP and he's played with a lot of professional players. I'm saying your attitude of 'I'll never be a pro player' is an attitude that won't help you improve.


I don't say that I do not wish to improve, i know my abilities and i know that I am not really able to "go pro" aiming at high Diamond/Challenger ranks.

sirell wrote:

It's funny you say that, because a lot of professional and high tier players use their abilities to secure last hits. And they also use W a lot to clear waves instantly.


And I don't. I am able to lasthit without using my abilities and as I said earlier I USE ABLITIES but I do not SPAM them to run out of mana thus I don't see a use of Athene's or Morello's <- you again switched a point there.

sirell wrote:

And you required at least 2 items to have all 3 stats. Athene's Unholy Grail gives it all. It might be lacking in AP or it doesn't have as much magic resist as GA or Abyssal Mask, but you really shouldn't overlook it.


Look up for my point of not buying buying Morello's or Athene's... Or let me speak it up to you clearly:
I NEED - AP/mres and i don't need mana regen so buying Athene's instead of Abyssal is not viable for me.

sirell wrote:

You know you get slowed, but you do actually move when you're Charmed, right? The fact that you did actually move actually proves my point.


I still do not know "Your point" about me not knowing Charm mechanics. For me it's kinda "breaking" through the Charm because i don't move 4 or 5 steps towards Ahri and possibly a jungler, but maybe ONE step for entire duration and I'm able to Flash after it or use W to escape.

sirell wrote:

Sigh. You have 3 charges at 120hp. Now, ignoring Ignite (because let's be honest, they'll only use it when you're low anyway). Crystalline Flask gives an effective hp of 360hp + 180 mana. On top of this, you'll also get leftover money for 3 potions (maybe a 4th if you want to wait). You get much more sustain and it's rechargeable.


Yeah, that's true but again I'm saying about buying Mask after the back - I am able to do it without the Flask or additional Pots for survi because I can kill my enemy with 150 HP not with 360 HP + 180 mana.

sirell wrote:

I said, just because you believe something to be true, doesn't actually make it true. I can believe that the world is flat, but that doesn't mean it is.


So, you believe that buying Crystal for LB sucks, but that doesn't mean it sucks.
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sirell (400) | August 22, 2014 8:55am
Khazem wrote:

*sigh*
What I mean is, from just watching someone play a champion you'll only really learn the basics. What items are good, what's the general ability order, a basic idea of how to use the champion and its kit in lane, etc. What you won't learn however is more in-depth stuff. What item to I build in what situation? What ability do I max in what situation? How do I deal with x when y happens?

I KNOW this because it happened to me on Riven. I used to watch a ton of Riven players back in season 2 and I thought I knew everything. Picked her up in season 3 only to realize how clueless I was.


I know what you mean. I was throwing a lot of sarcasm in there to let you know how absurd you sound because a lot of what you say is actually quite unclear, because you don't seem to directly say what you mean or, in some cases, mean what you say. And I also disagree regardless.

Sure, I can't play LeBlanc, but I know HOW to play LeBlanc, even if I can't. The only thing that fails me are my mechanical skills and in-game pressure. But take a step back and I can definitely talk about how to play it. I know how Riven is played too (somewhat), but I can't physically simulate it myself, because my mechanics are, quite frankly, terrible. But how to itemize, how to set-up runes/masteries, these I can definitely learn and teach, and I can do so without actually having to pick up the champion. If I want to make effective use of them, sure, I have to experience it in-game, but I can certainly use it to comment on other people's builds.

There are high-level analysts and coaches that don't even play certain champions and yet are able to coach teams and individual players on strategies and setups.

Lissu wrote:

Somehow after already clarifying myself you still misunderstand. I AGREE that in the cheatsheet W should be maxed first. I DISAGREE with your statement saying Q max is 'wrong'.


Nope, I didn't misunderstand. As I said, 'even in normal play', referring to outside the guide and cheatsheet. What you don't seem to understand is that I am going with your disagreement and telling you why I think Q max is wrong.

Edit: Actually, I just realised I wrote that bit and then deleted it. Okay, that was mb, but that was what I meant.
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sirell (400) | August 22, 2014 8:40am
Lissu wrote:

Oh so you say you are like a Faker or other Top tier professional player, okay, I kneel to you my lord.


That's not what I said. If you don't aim to improve, then you won't get better at the game. My duoqueue partner started off as Bronze in Season 2. He's now Diamond 1 50+LP and he's played with a lot of professional players. I'm saying your attitude of 'I'll never be a pro player' is an attitude that won't help you improve.

Lissu wrote:

No, I am saying that I DO NOT USE SKILLS IN ORDER TO LASTHIT


It's funny you say that, because a lot of professional and high tier players use their abilities to secure last hits. And they also use W a lot to clear waves instantly.


Lissu wrote:
No, because I have Deathfire Grasp for AP and CDR and Abyssal Mask or Guardian Angel for magic resist/resurrection.


And you required at least 2 items to have all 3 stats. Athene's Unholy Grail gives it all. It might be lacking in AP or it doesn't have as much magic resist as GA or Abyssal Mask, but you really shouldn't overlook it.


Lissu wrote:

I could make a video (but I won't because I don't have time) of the thing that I JUST NOW DID with my friend. He charmed me and I managed to STAY ALMOST PERFECTLY IN PLACE when rapidly pressing the hotkey assigned for moving a champion in OTHER DIRECTION


You know you get slowed, but you do actually move when you're Charmed, right? The fact that you did actually move actually proves my point.

Lissu wrote:
You again don't look at what I wrote about. I speak about ignite nullifying your potions to HALF (120 hp to 60 HP in case of Flask) and the point still looks like: 150 HP Crystal, 60 HP Flask AFTER IGNITE


Sigh. You have 3 charges at 120hp. Now, ignoring Ignite (because let's be honest, they'll only use it when you're low anyway). Crystalline Flask gives an effective hp of 360hp + 180 mana. On top of this, you'll also get leftover money for 3 potions (maybe a 4th if you want to wait). You get much more sustain and it's rechargeable.

Lissu wrote:

Another crazy twisted sentence imho. Going back to topic: I think I can get a lot of early Crystal and Mask and it's a valuable choice for me.


It's because you don't understand it. The point I'm trying to make is that trying to go for fully built items as soon as possible isn't always the best choice. That's why you'll see a fair amount of players stacking Doran's Rings on LeBlanc as opposed to, say, rushing a Fiendish Codex.

Lissu wrote:

So if you think of it another way maybe in truth I know it the right way and you don't? You just said a double-edged sentence there.


Nope, your English just really really sucks. I said, just because you believe something to be true, doesn't actually make it true. I can believe that the world is flat, but that doesn't mean it is. Do you understand?
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Foxy Riven (129) | August 22, 2014 8:39am
I am Foxy :(
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Khazem (191) | August 22, 2014 8:24am
sirell wrote:


So I guess I need hands on experience to tell that Muramana is a **** item on Shen or Riven, kappa.

I played the LeBlanc twice recently prior to going on holiday. So I guess I know what I'm talking about under your implication. Wonder how many LeBlanc games you've played recently? I'm guessing not that much.


*sigh*
What I mean is, from just watching someone play a champion you'll only really learn the basics. What items are good, what's the general ability order, a basic idea of how to use the champion and its kit in lane, etc. What you won't learn however is more in-depth stuff. What item to I build in what situation? What ability do I max in what situation? How do I deal with x when y happens?

I KNOW this because it happened to me on Riven. I used to watch a ton of Riven players back in season 2 and I thought I knew everything. Picked her up in season 3 only to realize how clueless I was.


sirell wrote:

For the purposes of the cheatsheet, it is wrong. And yet, you also as much implied that W max is right because it is more commonly picked. A new player comes to play LeBlanc and thinks that Q max all the time is fine, only to find themselves dominated in lane because they thought the extra damage would help.

The most I've seen is for players to take 2 points in Q for that level 6 all-in, but then to max W first.


Somehow after already clarifying myself you still misunderstand. I AGREE that in the cheatsheet W should be maxed first. I DISAGREE with your statement saying Q max is 'wrong'.
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Lissu | August 22, 2014 8:17am
sirell wrote:
Not with that attitude you won't.


Oh so you say you are like a Faker or other Top tier professional player, okay, I kneel to you my lord.


sirell wrote:
So you are saying you don't understand the significance of pushing or clearing a lane?



No, I am saying that I DO NOT USE SKILLS IN ORDER TO LASTHIT



sirell wrote:
Because CDR, AP or magic resist are important either, right?



No, because I have Deathfire Grasp for AP and CDR and Abyssal Mask or Guardian Angel for magic resist/resurrection.


sirell wrote:
The Charm description says you will move towards her. The only time Charm will not move you towards her is if you do not have vision of her. In such a case, you will only stand still



I could make a video (but I won't because I don't have time) of the thing that I JUST NOW DID with my friend. He charmed me and I managed to STAY ALMOST PERFECTLY IN PLACE when rapidly pressing the hotkey assigned for moving a champion in OTHER DIRECTION


sirell wrote:
You can also start with up to 3 extra potions. Flask = mana, mana = abilities, abilities = better than Ruby Crystal.


You again don't look at what I wrote about. I speak about ignite nullifying your potions to HALF (120 hp to 60 HP in case of Flask) and the point still looks like: 150 HP Crystal, 60 HP Flask AFTER IGNITE

sirell wrote:
The usefulness of the item is dependent on how much you can get from them, which is why a lot of midlane champions will occasionally stack Doran's Rings.


Another crazy twisted sentence imho. Going back to topic: I think I can get a lot of early Crystal and Mask and it's a valuable choice for me. Also:

sirell wrote:
Just because you think it is right, doesn't mean it's actually right.


So if you think of it another way maybe in truth I know it the right way and you don't? You just said a double-edged sentence there.
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