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Can ryze be beaten in lane? (plat diamond only)

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April 11, 2013 8:41pm
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I win every lane/game with ryze. I lose every lane to ryzes.

We all know ryze is the most broken mid in the game right now, not even zed can stand toe to toe with ryze.

I'm not great with safe mids like lux, and I suck with perceived ryze 'counters' like casseopia. I tried orianna vs TS snowtales, and I got bodied. I thought ori would have done ok. I took teleport, but I was thinking about taking cleanse because I knew he would flash w and maybe pack ignite, which he did. If I had cleanse, I definitely could have escaped my first death, and maybe he wouldn't of snowballed on me. Is there any way to beat ryze besides having him camped? which doesn't always work?

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by tehAsian » April 11, 2013 9:28pm | Report
I've heard Xerath destroys him pretty hard.

Have you tried shoving the lane early on? He isn't the best last hitter under tower, and has a relatively small mana pool early on. I think this would only be a temporary fix though, and isn't necessarily 'beating' him because you aren't directly laning with him.
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I've considered xerath, but his waveclear isn't good til 5+, and any low level wave clearing champions aren't safe vs ryze, or they need levels. what champs were you thinking of? I dont' think xerath, ryze can just farm and outscale you if he wants to.
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That's just pure speculation, though. unless I say I know from personal experience, consider everything i say speculation.
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Morgana, Anivia maybe? Possibly Karthus too since he has huge range and a really great late game as well.

As Xerath, I'd imagine that you'd just stay away from Ryze and whenever he stops to CS, poke him with Q. Same with Cass, Ryze just doesn't really have the mobility to continually avoid well placed skillshots. Then while lane is shoved, you force an advantage mid game by roaming so that the late game never happens.

Have you tried an AD mid other than Zed? J4/Kha? Ryze IS squishy early on so you can probably cheese him at levels 1-3 and snowball into mid/late.

I'm also going to say Heimerdinger, but then you'd probably never pick him since you think he's trash tier. Anyway, shove lane with turrets and huge range on Rockets. I've actually seen this matchup against a "best ryze na", there's not a lot Ryze can do, and since he's short ranged he'll be prone to turrets.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by throatslasher » April 11, 2013 10:46pm | Report
ryze counters kha.

heimer would shut him down in lane somewhat, but i dunno. i don't think my team would approve.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Ninja Trigger » April 11, 2013 10:57pm | Report
Yeah outside of dominion Heimer is out of place, most teams won't approve.
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Maybe Brand?

Ionno ryze is a gay fker
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by koksei » April 12, 2013 2:34am | Report
uh xerath, lux, nidalee should work
other than that... cassio mb.

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