Ask a Diamond [Week 2: Jungle]

[quote=xIchi][quote=mjskid] is nocturne a good counter jungler? [/quote] Yes, he is really save in dueling and has a fast clearing speed[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark]I actually do Wight on WW after my first buff because he doesn't really care about Wight's damage. He does it a lot faster than other camps seeing as he has 100% single-target damage, too.[/quote]

[quote=Blian]Hi, my question would be when jungling with Karma do you recommend to gank at level 3 (already having your stun) or better to follow the Q+E+Q+W order and only go for a gank at level 4? I normally go for a gank at level 3 but people say I should not do that.. Thank you, Blian[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][quote=Vapora Dark] I actually do Wight on WW after my first buff because he doesn't really care about Wight's damage. He does it a lot faster than other camps seeing as he has 100% single-target damage, too. [/quote] I didn't mention it because it's a very isolated case. Also if the other jungler goes straight for your red you'll probably lose it before you get there, so it's risky against junglers with good level 2 invades like Lee Sin and Kha'Zix. [quote=blian]Hi, my question would be when jungling with Karma do you recommend to gank at level 3 (already having your stun) or better to follow the Q+E+Q+W order and only go for a gank at level 4? I normally go for a gank at level 3 but people say I should not do that.. Thank you, Blian[/quote] I don't play jungle Karma, but for any jungler it's generally not worth getting a 2nd point in a damage ability and delaying your CC to level 4. You never know when you might need to counter-gank a lane, react to an invade or if there's a solid gank opportunity nearby. You have to clear several more camps to hit level 4 so it's a long time to go without your CC. Also Karma's level 3 ganks should work just fine; I don't think she's supposed to just sit and farm anyway.[/quote]

[quote=mjskid]who is a good ap jungler?[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][quote=mjskid] who is a good ap jungler? [/quote] Several good junglers deal a lot of magic damage ([[Elise]], [[Evelynn]], [[Amumu]], [[Shyvana]], Phoenix [[Udyr]] etc.), but the only jungler that is a true AP carry and builds that way would be [[Fiddlesticks]]. There are some other AP champions that you [i]can[/i] play in the jungle, such as [[Brand]], but they're not really junglers.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=PsiGuard] [quote=mjskid] who is a good ap jungler? [/quote] Several good junglers deal a lot of magic damage ([[Elise]], [[Evelynn]], [[Amumu]], [[Shyvana]]), but the only jungler that is a true AP carry and builds that way would be [[Fiddlesticks]]. There are some other AP champions that you [i]can[/i] play in the jungle, such as [[Brand]], but they're not really junglers. [/quote] wb [[Diana]]? Obviously preferred in a solo lane but from my experience she clears pretty fast. Also, how about new [[Gragas]]?[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]I think [[Diana]] is a terrible jungler to be honest. She relies so much on a gold advantage that she becomes really really underwhelming if she doesn't get a good early game. I wouldn't consider her any better than [[brand]] or [[akali]] jungle. [[Gragas]] could potentially be a viable AP carry jungler. Before his rework he actually functioned pretty well with a full AP build. Not sure about new Gragas, I haven't played him. His ult took a pretty big hit to its damage and scaling though, so I'm not sure if full AP is the way to go.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=PsiGuard] I think [[Diana]] is a terrible jungler to be honest. She relies so much on a gold advantage that she becomes really really underwhelming if she doesn't get a good early game. I wouldn't consider her any better than [[brand]] or [[akali]] jungle. [[Gragas]] could potentially be a viable AP carry jungler. Before his rework he actually functioned pretty well with a full AP build. Not sure about new Gragas, I haven't played him. His ult took a pretty big hit to its damage and scaling though, so I'm not sure if full AP is the way to go. [/quote] Previously I didn't even play him full ap but more bruiser esque. Pretty sure [[Morellonomicon]] is pretty much mandatory because of the cdr.[/quote]

[quote=Blian][quote=PsiGuard] [quote=mjskid] who is a good ap jungler? [/quote] Several good junglers deal a lot of magic damage ([[Elise]], [[Evelynn]], [[Amumu]], [[Shyvana]], Phoenix [[Udyr]] etc.), but the only jungler that is a true AP carry and builds that way would be [[Fiddlesticks]]. There are some other AP champions that you [i]can[/i] play in the jungle, such as [[Brand]], but they're not really junglers. [/quote] Does it mean you would NOT consider Karma as a competitive AP jungler?[/quote]