Guildwars 2 Beta

[quote=Xiron][quote=Searz] [quote=Xiron] Singed up. But only to trade it into a DOTA 2 key...[/quote] SINGED, WHERE!? OH GOD, WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE Sorry, reflex. [/quote] I TAKE THIS AS AN OFFENSE![/quote]

[quote=LaronX][quote=Luther3000] [quote=Darcurse] [quote=Luther3000] I signed up yesterday evening. And they uphold the no subscription costs by charging you money only when you buy the game. Y'know, that thing that games used to do back in the old days. [/quote] You mean, aside from every addon you were somewhat forced to buy on its release resulting in an average of 6-7$ per month? Cheap, but regarding the open world factor still more than enough. [/quote] ...What? Those weren't addons at all, they were basically full games in their own right. You only needed to own one to access the game and the full PvP system. Except Eye of the North, that actually was an expansion. If you didn't like the other games, there was absolutely no need to buy them since they didn't change the level cap at all or generally introduce any must-have items. In WoW you have to buy the game, pay a hefty subscription fee, and they [i]still[/i] release expansion packs that cost almost as much as the full Guild Wars games. What I like about Guild Wars is that they very clearly offered you a product for an up-front price with no bullshit, so you could choose what to buy and not have to feel guilty if you didn't play the game for a while. [/quote] /true I played it for about a year and if you rly want you can play only the classic GW. Sure the stand-alone game give a bigger addtion and EotN makes everything even more epic but ther is no need to buy anything beside the game. You can get extra char slots of extra solts for you bank or some "skins" but nothing you must have to be good. You can agruee that the Bonus misson pack is a dlc but it is more for the guys that like to see a bit more background story the items you get are as good as any other you can get by farming. The main reasons Gw never became the big thing was that is had to many limits.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=Luther3000] ...What? Those weren't addons at all, they were basically full games in their own right. You only needed to own one to access the game and the full PvP system. If you didn't like the other games, there was absolutely no need to buy them since they didn't change the level cap at all or generally introduce any must-have items. Except Eye of the North, that actually was an expansion, but it still didn't change the level cap or give you anything drastic. In WoW you have to buy the game, pay a hefty subscription fee, and they [i]still[/i] release expansion packs that cost almost as much as the full Guild Wars games. What I like about Guild Wars is that they very clearly offered you a product for an up-front price with no bullshit, so you could choose what to buy and not have to feel guilty if you didn't play the game for a while.[/quote] True story, bro.[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse]Aaah, dont compare ANYTHING with WoW's costs... Blizz inluded 3 pay systems in one game, they're just blood sucking ticks. Regarding the "you dont need to buy any addon/another of the base games" thing: Riiiight, ofc you dont NEED to buy them, BUT PvE without content updates is totally unthinkable and I remember that every pack had it's own new abilities coming along with it, right? Like, you (base game) with your normals abilities face the enemy (add ons) who owns some shiny new skills.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]All of the additional skills were pretty balanced with existing ones, if I recall. Interesting side fact: Morello, the lead balance guy for LoL, worked on the balance for Guild Wars too. Again, the choice to buy the other games is entirely your own. [quote=] BUT PvE without content updates is totally unthinkable [/quote] Do you expect free content updates when you purchase any other genre of game? No.[/quote]

[quote=Samoh]Signed up yesterday, very excited.[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse][quote=Luther3000] Do you expect free content updates when you purchase any other genre of game? No. [/quote] ... that's why I'm saying, that you have to buy them, since [b][u]THIS[/u][/b] genre is all about content updates. Ofc there are exceptions and nowadays everyone wants to lure customers/counters bootleggers with DLCs, but Shooter/Action/Adventure/Simulation etc. normally dont go hand in hand with the term "ongoing updates/patches". Regarding PvE, mmorpgs with subsciption fees are comparable to every other game with ongoing sequels. Instead of paying/getting one big chunk at a time, you pay/get them little by little. Thats why imo GW is nearly the same as WoW (concerning the type of fee), the moment you stop paying further charges you'll only have played a part of the game.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=Darcurse] [quote=Luther3000] Do you expect free content updates when you purchase any other genre of game? No. [/quote] ... that's why I'm saying, that you have to buy them, since THIS genre is all about content updates. [/quote] This genre is also all about monthly fees in order to support those content updates (ostensibly anyway). I really don't see how in any possible way you feel like you have to buy them when you don't want to. If ya do you clearly are just addicted to buying shit. It's like saying you have to buy all pieces of DLC released for every game. And trust me the GW campaigns are a lot more extensive than DLC/expansions.[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse]Uh dude... one numbskull to get through... The moment you dont want to buy them is the moment you dont want to play anymore. It's not like ppl have to be addicted to buy them, it's the producers want them to be. The game is made so that you want/have to buy them, if you want to keep playing for real. (I mean they have to, otherwise how the heck are they going to keep it running...) Just taking GW for example...: The average gamer will have completely or mostly beaten the main PvE content the moment a new add-on airs. What will you do? Repeat anything again? Start playing PvP even if you dont want to? Not really, and while we're at it most of the community will only dwell on the new content anyway. It's not like any co-op story game, that is done after one playtrhough, it's a genre that operates by keeping the players running.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Look, it's simple. If you want to buy something, buy it. If you don't want to buy something, don't buy it. Like I don't really understand what the hell your argument is.[/quote]