2v1 Lane strategies

[quote=theBMB]I've noticed jungling become more and more uncommon for some reason, and that often leads to a situation where 1 team has a jungler and 1 doesn't. In these cases, is it worth it for the jungler to stick to the jungle? As far as I can tell, there aren't ANY champions who can consistently maintain control in a 2v1 lane. This usually leads to the solo champ getting pushed to their tower, or worse completely zoned out by competent players. In these cases the top champ not only can't farm and/or level, but you're now at high risk of losing the top tower early. Are the benefits of jungling justified in this case? Even if the jungler does come to gank early, it's still a dangerous situation since it's a normal 2v2 situation, but in all likelihood the enemy champs will have much higher health.[/quote]

[quote=deathalo44]The jungler should stop jungling if his teammate needs help, or help asap.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]Agree with that. ^ If you can see you have a jungler, try to get someone to pick Malz. He can push like a boss. Also, having a really fast jungler can help so he can gank really early. Maokai, Shaco(If he doesn't bug) and Super-leashed Udyr all work for this.[/quote]

[quote=theBMB][quote=Lugignaf] Agree with that. ^ If you can see you have a jungler, try to get someone to pick Malz. He can push like a boss. Also, having a really fast jungler can help so he can gank really early. Maokai, Shaco(If he doesn't bug) and Super-leashed Udyr all work for this. [/quote] Ya true, but pretty much all of this is impossible to guarantee when playing solo (normal or ranked). So, basically the only real strategy is for the jungler to not jungle. Is it wrong that the whole jungling strategy can be countered so easily?[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]2 strategies for stopping a terrible junger. Pick the jungler and lock in as them or, Pick malz if you have a jungler. I'm usually the jungler so, I know when people should stop jungling and I tell them to. It's kinda weird that people listen to me so well.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla]One time, i was playing Morde vs Morde+Akali, and i went 12/3/5 that game or something similar. Morde vs Akali is already a hard lane, add in Mordekaiser to that, and you have a basically impossible lane, so how did i accomplish this score? Basically, your job in a 2v1 lane is to NOT DIE. Stay within xp range, maybe get a gp/5 (I bought kage's), and just farm at your tower, that's how you win any 2v1 lane. Of course, if their lane comp is such that they can tower dive you for kills at their whim, then you need to start getting ganks from mid+jungle to counter it, and get caught up in cs and such. And it definitely doesn't help if your jungler isn't good.[/quote]

[quote=theBMB][quote=Temzilla] One time, i was playing Morde vs Morde+Akali, and i went 12/3/5 that game or something similar. Morde vs Akali is already a hard lane, add in Mordekaiser to that, and you have a basically impossible lane, so how did i accomplish this score? Basically, your job in a 2v1 lane is to NOT DIE. Stay within xp range, maybe get a gp/5 (I bought kage's), and just farm at your tower, that's how you win any 2v1 lane. [color=#ff0000]Of course, if their lane comp is such that they can tower dive you for kills at their whim,[/color] then you need to start getting ganks from mid+jungle to counter it, and get caught up in cs and such. And it definitely doesn't help if your jungler isn't good. [/quote] Pointing out how extremely common this is[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=theBMB] [quote=Temzilla] One time, i was playing Morde vs Morde+Akali, and i went 12/3/5 that game or something similar. Morde vs Akali is already a hard lane, add in Mordekaiser to that, and you have a basically impossible lane, so how did i accomplish this score? Basically, your job in a 2v1 lane is to NOT DIE. Stay within xp range, maybe get a gp/5 (I bought kage's), and just farm at your tower, that's how you win any 2v1 lane. [color=#ff0000]Of course, if their lane comp is such that they can tower dive you for kills at their whim,[/color] then you need to start getting ganks from mid+jungle to counter it, and get caught up in cs and such. And it definitely doesn't help if your jungler isn't good. [/quote] Pointing out how extremely common this is [/quote] I was careless, died once in lane, and that is exactly what happened, i had to stay as close to the outside of xp range as possible, i lost tons of farm, and then had to get constant ganks from mid and my jungler until i could continue to lane. The problem with their 2v1 lane, was they sent their two best laners there. Our other two lanes raped super hard, and we won because basically it turned into a 2v4 because i was fairly useless(Just built straight AP, so i caught up and eventually did better because of positioning), but their other two lanes were useless as well. If you're going to 2v1, it helps a lot to have an ultra sustain champion, a champion with a CC, or one with both, like Singed. Fucking seriously guys, singed is OP.[/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK]^yea you don't know if you will have a 2v1 or not tho but the thing is, IF you get good ganks, it overall proves better for your team even if you miss out on some early farm; they will be underleveled versus if they had a jungler, other lanes won't get ganks without their mid tower getting pushed down, and if you get some gp10 like Tem said, you can hold out until laning is over and it is safe to farm.[/quote]

[quote=3pthorror]pick a good 2v1 champ like heimer morde nidalee ww malz cait(cuz she got mad range dont recommend it though)....and then hope the rest of ur team can handle themselves lol this happens to me alot and i win my lane 2v1 all the time. heimer is best 2v1 imo.[/quote]