What happened to Orianna??? D:

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK][quote=DuffTime] [quote=Searz] No, jun. She was a LITTLE overnerfed, but certainly not much ofc. Her lane was never anything more than strong, but nerfing the range of her AAs by 50 and her ball by 100 made a BIG dent in her laning power. Adding the 10 increased mana cost on that would pretty much cripple her in a lot of matchups and she'll flat out lose them.. [/quote] Agree. Her strength wasn't her lane power before either. To me it was always in her epic range Tibbers-drop-damage aoe singed fling, and her haste and her shield. Her stronger lane did enable her to more safely farm and achieve that power later, however. For an AP carry type, she has epic amounts of support skills (I think she's a fine support personally) that work wonders, and that's why I think she's still a good choice for an AP carry. It's like comparing other AD Carries to Ashe. Even though Ashe may deal less damage, her utility can at times make up for it. *Shrug* I personally prefer Brand to Orianna and Vayne to Ashe. I prefer the damage. But she is still good for her utility. [/quote] Keep in mind, Ori and Brand are both AoE; damage wise I think Brand does a LITTLE MORE, emphasis on LITTLE, with the same amount of AP; yet doesn't have the utility and initiation power Ori does.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]I agree she was supposed to be hit hard and I'm very glad they did hit her hard. She was completely broken.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Also, only for laning phase. For teamfights? no way. Brand's damage is much higher in team fights, Potentially a full 50-100% higher damage, depending on bounces and if targets are ablaze for your W or not.[/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK]eh...I'll go with 30% l0l POINT IS SHE RAPES. AND SO DOES BRAND. GG[/quote]

[quote=Joobieo#41288]Brand's ult also is noob friendly, i love when people stand together =)[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]You mean noob abusive? :P I love it when my enemies stand together. >:)[/quote]

[quote=Maphis][quote=JunSupport] She wasn't overnerfed. She was balanced. People are just shying away from her because she actually has a difficulty that scales properly her skill-ceiling. They can't pull off the skill-shots anymore without spamming her abilities senselessly so they're focusing on other champions who are still overpowered. She's gone down in popularity because she's balanced now and hard to play instead of overpowered and mildly difficult. Anyone who says otherwise either lacks experience or is butt-hurt from the nerfs. [/quote] Quoted for truth, she is still one of the best AP carries in the game, however unlike most other AP's (Brand, Annie), she requires a lot of practice and skill to play correctly. The nerfs did nothing but balance her out, because admit it; when a champ that is first pick, first ban in both solo queue something is wrong with him.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]But her laning never needed a nerf --.-- It was her lategame utility that needed to be nerfed, and they most certainly did that through a pretty big range nerf.[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport]@Searz: Before my rebuttal - Are you referring the the auto-attack range nerf or the Q range nerf? ~ ~ ~ ~ You don't think her lane needed a nerf? That makes me laugh. Her lane was a major part of why she was so strong late game - She could farm up too easily and build all her necessary items to rock the late game. Her lane was ridiculous - You couldn't get near her. [[Command: Attack]] was so stupid. Q let her constantly plant that ball beside you, then 5 seconds later, bam, it rushes at you again even though you're still behind your minions or turret-hugging. If you try to get in close to psyche her out, she starts using her auto-attacks which apparently also hurt a lot then sends her ball back with 'protect' then W away~ [[Command: Dissonance]] is also a really stupid skill in my opinion. It's the ultimate anti-chaser skill. Speeds you up, slows down anyone following behind you. Reduces your chance of getting caught to almost zero. It's like the Gangplank's [[Grog Soaked Blade]] + [[Raise Morale]] on a little floor AoE, TOGETHER.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=JunSupport] Before my rebuttal - Are you referring the the auto-attack range nerf or the Q range nerf?[/quote] Both. [quote]You don't think her lane needed a nerf? That makes me laugh. Her lane was a major part of why she was so strong late game - She could farm up too easily and build all her necessary items to rock the late game. Her lane was ridiculous - You couldn't get near her. [[Command: Attack]] was so stupid. Q let her constantly plant that ball beside you, then 5 seconds later, bam, it rushes at you again even though you're still behind your minions or turret-hugging.[/quote] She was strong in the lane before, but nerfing her range like that put her just where she belongs. Making her already high mana costs even higher just makes her kinda weak in the lane. You're talking like her Q is as huge as Brand's W and totally unavoidable.. It's not THAT hard to dodge her ball. It's not easy, but if you're good you should be able to dodge it ~40% of the time. You wanna know a champion that is stupid in the lane? [[Cassiopeia]] She is definitely in the top 5 champions at winning lanes. She might even be number 1. If played right Cass can win 90% of her matchups.[/quote]