Katarina is ridiculous!

[quote=Vaan99]Dat Shunpo. From video it seems OP, but you need to have 0 latency and even faster reflexes. Not to mention their whole team was under 50% hp[/quote]

[quote=Virtus]In the hands of a high ELO player with experience, any champions that they have an extensive history with looks good. Hell, when Salce played Vladimir in the last tourney, I was like damn OP quadra kill, even though everyone cries that Vladimir is UP.[/quote]

[quote=Beeswarm17][quote=DuffTime] [quote=Luther3000] Smart players will ALWAYS save some CC for her ult. [/quote] So simply for the fact that Kat exists you can't CC the other champions that are plowing into your asses :) [/quote] Nah, Lee Sin will just kick someone, and everyone will explode. XD There are just plenty of ways to deal with a Kat ult, since she has to get in the middle of the team and stand there channeling for it to get full effectiveness. I mean, I've accidentally canceled the move, simply because I saw her shunpo in and tried to stun her. She will get shut down by any team with decent coordination. In most cases, pro teams have that coordination.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]I remember back when Kayle's ult blocked all CC and damage...you'd ult Kat and she'd get a quadra...those were the days...[/quote]

[quote=Beeswarm17]Well, you can still pair her with Morgana...[/quote]

[quote=Knightly][quote=Luther3000] Smart players will ALWAYS save some CC for her ult. [/quote] Although some smart [[Katarina]] players will try to draw out your CC. Our [[Sona]] ulted, I [[Bear Stance]] stunned her... And she ulted. It didn't really help that our [[Lee Sin]] decided to be a baws and kick her off the map, but w;e. But yes, I agree on the matter. Low levels: Unstoppable. Mid ELO: Mehhh... > 2K ELO: Who's that again?[/quote]

[quote=Yukimaru][quote=DuffTime] [quote=Luther3000] Smart players will ALWAYS save some CC for her ult. [/quote] So simply for the fact that Kat exists you can't CC the other champions that are plowing into your asses :) [/quote] So simply for the fact that the CC of one Person for Kat exists doesnt allow Kat to use her ultimate and reduces her dmg output by 70% and makes it somewhat a 4v5 :) Also there was the Video of Kat mid, she got ganked by 3 ppl, she was like...20-30 HP?...no chance to escape, then she tripple-killed em and survived thanks to Spellvamp[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Beeswarm17] since she has to get in the middle of the team and stand there channeling for it to get full effectiveness. [/quote] This is actually in most cases the wrong way to play Kat. It's better to get full rotation off on 2 champs from the side and destroy their balls than to get 1/4 or 1/2 rotation off on 4-5 champs and have your own balls destroyed. (IMO, there are exceptions) [quote=Yukimaru] So simply for the fact that the CC of one Person for Kat exists doesnt allow Kat to use her ultimate and reduces her dmg output by 70% and makes it somewhat a 4v5 :) [/quote] Well as clever of a rebuttal as this was it does fall short. If my 4 mates are competent, and your 4 mates are competent, then things are going to be happening. Kat reduces heals and the like and still deals damage without her ulti. She will contribute as much as the player forced to hold back their CC's. Then, when that CC is used because the player is going to lose the 4v4 if they don't use skills (5v5 where players are holding loaded skills) Kat jumps in like a bat out of hell and can POTENTIALLY Shunpo her way to a few kills after the fact. I personally don't like Kat very much but the idea that she can't ult because of CC is incorrect. Only a Kat player with a poor understanding of CC's would use her ult in a position where she can be easily silenced or CC'd.[/quote]

[quote=Acid Reigns][quote]Only a LoL player with a poor understanding of Kat would be in a position where she can easily ult. [/quote] Fixd [quote]Then, when that CC is used because the player is going to lose the 4v4 if they don't use skills (5v5 where players are holding loaded skills) Kat jumps in like a bat out of hell and can POTENTIALLY Shunpo her way to a few kills after the fact.[/quote] Let's say: Sion top Morgana mid Taric + Caitlyn Bot Cho'Gath Jungle Against: (I'm tbh not sure where the hell kat fits in lane, so I'mm make 2 examples) Katarina top Brand mid Sona + Graves Bot Rammus Jungle OR Olaf top Kat mid Sona + Graves bot Rammus jungle Now let's say a fight breaks out later in the game, and kat is playing defensively looking for a chance to jump in, like you said. Kat not being in there, and having to wait is a big deal, however sion or taric holding onto a stun won't cause many problems. Sion will still be in there with his ult up murdering everyone, regardless of whether or not he can stun someone for a short time or not, and taric will still be there providing strong auras, and minor heals on his team. Kat however will be outside the fight tossing a dagger once in a while, dealing very little damage, that will easily be healed over by sion. Having one person hold back a cc isn't nearly as big of a blow as having someone who is nearly useless. Good players won't be caught in small groups with their cc down when kat is around. Think of it this way Duff, if AD shaco catches a squishy alone, ults, and boxes their escape, he can murder them, however, he is still a bad champ. Kat is the same way, only she completley stomps on noobs.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Oh thanks for taking what I wrote and changing it back to what you guys have been saying all along. *Rolls eyes* My mistake. Also, your example is just one way that a fight can play out. Fights can go either way, advantage Kat team or advantage other team, just like with any other champion. Having one player hold back a CC is powerful. Good players can be forced into using their CC's because other threats are too great to be ignored. I don't need to have this explained to me, I understand what you guys are saying. You're still on black and white is the problem and it's not that simple. Kat is a legitimate pick. Dignitas has used her in their comps when they absolutely "pub stomped" with Kat all over CLG and TSM's faces. How can I explain what I'm trying to say... The way you play assassin bursty types like Kat is to run a "Full threat" composition. You've got Akali solo top, Kat mid, Udyr jungle, Vayne and Sona bot. You have Udyr to initiate. He builds super tanky. As soon as the fight starts, shit goes bonkers. Akali goes in, Vayne goes in, Sona is right there waiting to ult. Your team has the kind of damage that must be dealt with immediately. You know? You can't ignore Vayne Akali Udyr and Kat. You can't heal through it. You're gonna have to CC Vayne or Akali if you want to win the fight, there is no other option. So then Kat dumps on your head. Your team will be forced to save their CC's for Kat, but that's causing you to get destroyed by Vayne and Akali. Your team will be forced to use your CC's on Vayne and Akali, but that exposes you to the threat of the Kat ult. See the fucked up catch 22 you're stuck in? You can't use the good player excuse, this works in pro level play. Dignitas has proven that. The reality is, it's just not that black and white. It can go both ways, a good Kat player like Scarra can make Kat a viable and powerful champion to quickly land 3-4 kills in a fight after the team has done lots of damage. Her viability lies in her innate strength to force opponents to save their CC's or get smacked by Kat ult, giving your DPS's real freedom to bomb away early in fights that you don't have to save your CC's for. That's a backwards dynamic, and the worst outcome for a team would be that a right clicker is free to auto attack for 10-20 seconds. That would eventually be worse than a full on Kat ult. So Kat, just by being obnoxious and gimmicky, enables your DPSers to do their job better. I personally feel there are better picks, sure, but Kat is not a bad champion at any elo.[/quote]