7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=HiFromBuddha][[Bard]] is meant to be a Wandering Caretaker, like his title suggests. He isn't really about roaming mid to get kills rather than he is about going around the map to see what he can do for someone, even if it is as simple as laying down a healing shrine for your mid laner or getting some deep wards in. That doesn't mean that he's good though. In all honesty, I don't know if I can think of a support that does what a support is meant to do worse than [[Bard]]. Everything about him outside of gameplay is awesome. His design and aesthetics are unique, his sounds effects are a joy to listen to, and his abilities are fun to use. He just sucks though. For one, he doesn't really synergise with the support items as well as other supports. When we get into lane phase, he really just can't offer much. He's one of those champions where if you choose to max one ability over the other, then you are really sacrificing a lot. You're either left with below average poke and an incredibly underwhelming heal, or you have a good heal but absolutely no lane presence. It's just shit really. Either way, you suck at extended trades against pretty much any support since you don't offer anything that reliable yourself. Late game, he's pretty solid. His versatility is almost unparalleled for supports right now. He can do a lot things late game at an average level, and that's good I suppose. The only thing that really does let him down late game is that fact that he feels clunky. [[Magical Journey]]'s clickbox is really awkward and no where near as smooth as it should be. His Q also feels a bit weird. The travel time on [[Tempered Fate]] is also really odd to work with. It's weird because for an ability that's a 2.5s stasis, you'd imagine that you would have a ton of versatility with it. But the travel time and the feel of it limits you to chasing or using it on the backline to stop DPS temporarily. Using it effectively on your allies in clutch situations is difficult. I love playing [[Bard]], but he just feels a bit bleh right now. I have faith though that when people figure him out, then he'll become a solid niche pick that I will most certainly be playing a lot. Right now though, he kinda just does a lot of things at an underwhelming level.[/quote]

[quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0]Tbh I'm not even sure what Riot was aiming for. Roaming support sounded like a stupid idea on paper, and it turns out to be below average anyway. I mean what's next? Tanky mid laners? Squishy top laners that can't peel?[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0]Tbh I'm not even sure what Riot was aiming for. Roaming support sounded like a stupid idea on paper, and it turns out to be below average anyway. I mean what's next? Tanky mid laners? Squishy top laners that can't peel?[/quote] Roaming supports used to be a thing. They wanted to rekindle it with Bard. Clearly you werent around to see the roaming cow god.[/quote]

[quote=I want to be a Blitzball]What do you people think of [[Enchantment: Cinderhulk]] on [[Jarvan IV]]?[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=I want to be a Blitzball]What do you people think of [[Enchantment: Cinderhulk]] on [[Jarvan IV]]?[/quote] Warrior enchant is likely infinitely better on him.[/quote]

[quote=VexRoth][quote=I want to be a Blitzball]What do you people think of [[Enchantment: Cinderhulk]] on [[Jarvan IV]]?[/quote] Tough sell on [[Jarvan IV]] as he scales exclusively with AD. [[Enchantment: Warrior]] syncs a lot better with his kit. But if you need to be a meat shield and want to play knock up bot, it can work, there are just other junglers that do that job better.[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod][quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0] Tanky mid laners?[/quote] Is this new?[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=FalseoGod][quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0] Tanky mid laners?[/quote] Is this new?[/quote] [[Galio]]? Or does he still not count. Also the term "tanky" is subjective. You could consider [[diana]] a "tanky" mid laner.[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje][quote=I want to be a Blitzball]What do you people think of [[Enchantment: Cinderhulk]] on [[Jarvan IV]]?[/quote] I'm by no means a jungle main but I used to play a lot of Jarvan and I think its decent. I'd argue Warrior is better but if you need a beefy frontline tank in your teamcomp Cinderculk could definitely work. People used to build Spirit of the Ancient Golem on him when that was the meta so he can get away with skipping damage items for sure. [quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=I want to be a Blitzball]What do you people think of [[Enchantment: Cinderhulk]] on [[Jarvan IV]]?[/quote] Warrior enchant is likely infinitely better on him.[/quote] That's an exaggeration. [quote=VexRoth][quote=I want to be a Blitzball]What do you people think of [[Enchantment: Cinderhulk]] on [[Jarvan IV]]?[/quote] Tough sell on [[Jarvan IV]] as he scales exclusively with AD. [[Enchantment: Warrior]] syncs a lot better with his kit. But if you need to be a meat shield and want to play knock up bot, it can work, there are just other junglers that do that job better.[/quote] Mostly true but Jarvan brings a lot of unique stuff to a team with his massive engage.[/quote]

[quote=Cooper112]Tanky does not mean pure tank diana is actually pretty tanky just with her kit with hour glass, shield and Abyssal. Urgot would likely be the most tank mid laner in pure stats and shields atm.[/quote]