Feel No Pain question

[quote=Temzilla][quote=DuffTime] [quote=NicknameMy] Ehm, [[mordekaiser]] beated [[urgot]] mid at the IEM, first match: http://iemhanover.leagueoflegends.com/match/group-round-11-clg-vs-dignitas [/quote] Morde lost to Urgot in lane pretty hard... [quote=Temzilla] Idk why morde would lose tbh, I would have to run it against a good urgot. You wouldn't be able to run standard runes or items, but morde has the tools to punish urgot i feel. [/quote] His shield gets smashed and he eats like 2-3 Q's for free. [quote=NicknameMy] But yeah, safest pick should be [[morgana]], can ignore the slow on W and has great sustain against his low mana. [/quote] Nope and I'm not running either of those top lane. [/quote] Okay, lets do some math shall we? With the following setups: [url=http://leaguecraft.com/builder/mordekaiser/?items=72&runes=3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,63,63,63,63,63,63,63,63,63,52,52,52,52,52,52,52,52,52,95,95,95&level=2&masteries=0040040001300404110304001000000000000000000000000]Morde[/url] [url=http://leaguecraft.com/builder/urgot/?items=25&runes=63,63,63,63,63,63,63,63,63,112,112,112,112,112,112,112,112,112,10,10,10,36,36,36,36,36,36,36,36,36&level=2&masteries=0302400410003030102000000000000001030030000000000]Urgot[/url] Morde has 80(51) armor, Urgot has 50mr. With a E landed, and 3 Q's, Urgot will deal 81+65+65+65 = 276 damage. This is reduced to 183 damage. At level 2, Morde's Q+E gives him 140 shield (his max is 150 at that point) if he hits the whole minion wave, and with those runes, he can cast both of them more often than Urgot can Q. You have wasted 82 health, and he has wasted 170 mana. You also can start with more potions than him. I just think that, if you rune/itemize/play properly, urgot won't beat you, and even if he does, you will rock him later. You once said that riven's biggest weakness is that she does all physical damage, well guess what, urgot does too. And his E is on a 11 second CD base at all levels.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]I don't understand why Urgot's packing boots and armor runes. If I wanted to crush a Morde, I'd be taking MR seals and start with Null magic mantle. It's not like I need to be terribly faster when I have a shield and hideously long range to poke him down. If he does get close, I have a ton of MR too.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Nooo lol you just go herpderp damage or armor pen runes on urgot. either 15 AD or 25 ARP.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]A good Urgot knows that he should run 25ArP. (physical skills benefit sooo much more from ArP than AD) @Tem Mord just doesn't stand a chance. I've faced quite a few of them.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Let's not forget in our math craft that urgot has a ranged attack and his E to eat Morde's shield and his Q to lay down deeps. It's at least a 6/4 maybe a 6.5/3.5 or even a 7/3 favoring Urgot.[/quote]

[quote=Xenasis][quote=Searz] A good Urgot knows that he should run 25ArP. (physical skills benefit sooo much more from ArP than AD) [/quote] Hm? Genja was running +15 AD not long ago (though I'm unsure if he runs it every time, I definitely saw it that game he was 2v1), rushing a Brutalizer of course. He hit like a truck.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]TBH I think either AD or ARP are probably both fine. I personally would be inclined to use AD >:P[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk]Do people even read this thread before they comment lol? cause like the last 5 pages have been people recommending either terrible picks, or mages, and we all know Duff sucks at mages :P it also seems people are ignoring that Urgot is going to get Blue lul...[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=Nighthawk] Do people even read this thread before they comment lol? cause like the last 5 pages have been people recommending either terrible picks, or mages, and we all know Duff sucks at mages :P it also seems people are ignoring that Urgot is going to get Blue lul... [/quote] Okay, so i said "tanky mages should deal with him, udyr should do well too" And then i said "You just have to aggresively deny his blue". [quote=Lugignaf] I don't understand why Urgot's packing boots and armor runes. If I wanted to crush a Morde, I'd be taking MR seals and start with Null magic mantle. It's not like I need to be terribly faster when I have a shield and hideously long range to poke him down. If he does get close, I have a ton of MR too. [/quote] MR seals? So you're saying that you can only get 1-2 q's on me? Or do you want to run into my creeps with no armor? Also, if you stack MR vs Mordekaiser, you won't do enough damage against him to actually push him out of lane, and so he will just push you under your tower and roam/counter jungle, or just force you to miss cs under tower.[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk][quote=Temzilla] [quote=Nighthawk] Do people even read this thread before they comment lol? cause like the last 5 pages have been people recommending either terrible picks, or mages, and we all know Duff sucks at mages :P it also seems people are ignoring that Urgot is going to get Blue lul... [/quote] Okay, so i said "tanky mages should deal with him, udyr should do well too" And then i said "You just have to aggresively deny his blue". [quote=Lugignaf] I don't understand why Urgot's packing boots and armor runes. If I wanted to crush a Morde, I'd be taking MR seals and start with Null magic mantle. It's not like I need to be terribly faster when I have a shield and hideously long range to poke him down. If he does get close, I have a ton of MR too. [/quote] MR seals? So you're saying that you can only get 1-2 q's on me? Or do you want to run into my creeps with no armor? Also, if you stack MR vs Mordekaiser, you won't do enough damage against him to actually push him out of lane, and so he will just push you under your tower and roam/counter jungle, or just force you to miss cs under tower. [/quote] wasn't specifically about you, if you look at some of the other posts...lawl.[/quote]