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Quick question about Ryze and Zhonya's Hourglass

Creator: dadde April 12, 2011 11:39am
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I don't understand the double standard here, a lot of people praise actually trying something before criticizing it, yet here I am getting criticized =(
Trust me when I say I wouldn't get it at all if I didn't think it was beneficial.
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Zeprido wrote:

I don't understand the double standard here, a lot of people praise actually trying something before criticizing it, yet here I am getting criticized =(

I have tried it.
Like I said earlier;

high AD low AS

no point.
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@Adon, I get the occasional Triforce as well for overall stats and Sheen Proc (it has mana, so why not?) I've killed with an AA many times.
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AD on Manamune is wasted, so is the AD passive. It's a MELEE version of AA's. I don't see why you should get a lesser version of AA's (for casters) at all : /. Mp5 is great, mana is great, but there are better items.
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Zeprido wrote:

I don't understand the double standard here, a lot of people praise actually trying something before criticizing it, yet here I am getting criticized =(
Trust me when I say I wouldn't get it at all if I didn't think it was beneficial.


And I'm a theory-crafting rampant. I agree, it is kind of counter-productive. Apologies.
Personal habitual activites? Utilizing gargantuan idioms to fabricate intelligence.

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Now, if something existed (such as Nashor's) that gave attack speed as well as mana (so as not to waste space), I would say go for it.
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Zeprido wrote:

@Adon, I get the occasional Triforce as well for overall stats and Sheen Proc (it has mana, so why not?) I've killed with an AA many times.

The point is you're changing from being a caster to a hybrid caster/ranged dps and it's weaker then being a full caster (annie) or a full ranged dps (ashe)
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@Scrax, again, the AD is just icing on the cake, I make use of it with Triforce and even get last hit kills with an AA, but the main purpose is to charge the passive quicker. Being able to hit hit the max 5-10 minutes quicker is priceless.

@Adon, Not true, the point is to be a full caster and maximize the passive to its fullest potential as early as possible.
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http://www.solomid.net/forums/index.php?/topic/6802-upcoming-featured-guides-updated/page__st__20

"Vman7 Ryze is something like this, I think he has it posted on the official LoL forums. I dunno if he updates it or anything.

Ryze (9/7/14)
Flash – Ghost

Runes:
Red – Magic Pen
Yellow – Mana
Blue – Cooldown Reduction
Quin - HP

R > Q > W > E

Core:
Sapphire Crystal
Health Potion
Health Potion
Tear of the Goddess
Catalyst the Protector

Final:
Mercury's Treads
Banshee's Veil
Frozen Heart
Rod of Ages
Manamune or Archangel's Staff
Void Staff


"AP is virtually useless on Ryze now. The reason why you'll want a Manamune is because you'll have +100 AD by level 18 with full items, vs 150 AP - The thing is the Archangels isn't as useful because your huge pool IS your mana "regen," plus your only AP is from void staff and RoA - 160 ap. Manamune is for taking down towers and to split up your damage when you're not casting spells against people who've stacked MR against you. You don't need the 25 mp/5 that Archangel gives you.""
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@Jebus - Wow, wasn't even aware that Vman posted that. That's pretty much how I feel I suppose.
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