Volibear Patch Notes

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=Blydden] Cue the estrogen on my team (The_Nameless_Bard & Demina) to cry out with joy about [[Sivir]]. x-x [/quote] we'll see[/quote]

[quote=LenP]this new junglin... dont like it at all =([/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk][quote=Beeswarm17] [quote=Nighthawk] Not impressed, they nerfed her early game HARD and 10 less mana on Q for less damage is a JOKE. W MIGHT be her saving grace, but gl getting to lategame with Sivir. [/quote] What do you mean they nerfed her early game? She hits five targets at rank 1 of ricochet, with bonus damage applied to the first target. And if 10 less mana on her Q is a joke, then 10 more mana on her ult is even more of a joke. Which do you think you'll be using more often? What they nerfed was her lategame AS. Her early game got a buff. What numbers are you looking at? Q and W just got an early game buff. O_o I'm really confused on all this. [/quote] Nope. Her Q got a nerf since they increased the ratio by .10 but took away the damage from it since they changed the damage to physical and it has no AP ratio, and the mana cost is basically the same. (ok maybe a VERY slight buff) Her early game/midgame ult is now crap compared to what it was before. They nerfed her base AD. Pretty much the only thing they actually BUFFED was her W, which may or may not make up for the nerfs to ult and Q.[/quote]

[quote=Khazem]People seem to be forgetting the buff to her range, which was probably the biggest problem of her early game.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Actualy, 500 range is shit... You need at least 650+ to be effective as ranged.(if you don't have any dashes like [[vayne]] or [[graves]]) That was overall a hard nerf to [[sivir]].[/quote]

[quote=IceCreamy][quote=NicknameMy] Actualy, 500 range is shit... You need at least 650+ to be effective as ranged.(if you don't have any dashes like [[vayne]] or [[graves]]) That was overall a hard nerf to [[sivir]]. [/quote] Lol, Caitlyn has 650 range and tris has something bigger at high levels, but... no one else ;D[/quote]

[quote=Wayne3100]Think he means 550[/quote]

[quote=Mastarwe]500 is the same as teemo, twitch and kog'maw(without w). Dunno if it's good/bad, since the patch hasn't landed in EU yet.[/quote]

[quote=Beeswarm17][quote=Nighthawk] [quote=Beeswarm17] [quote=Nighthawk] Not impressed, they nerfed her early game HARD and 10 less mana on Q for less damage is a JOKE. W MIGHT be her saving grace, but gl getting to lategame with Sivir. [/quote] What do you mean they nerfed her early game? She hits five targets at rank 1 of ricochet, with bonus damage applied to the first target. And if 10 less mana on her Q is a joke, then 10 more mana on her ult is even more of a joke. Which do you think you'll be using more often? What they nerfed was her lategame AS. Her early game got a buff. What numbers are you looking at? Q and W just got an early game buff. O_o I'm really confused on all this. [/quote] Nope. Her Q got a nerf since they increased the ratio by .10 but took away the damage from it since they changed the damage to physical and it has no AP ratio, and the mana cost is basically the same. (ok maybe a VERY slight buff) Her early game/midgame ult is now crap compared to what it was before. They nerfed her base AD. Pretty much the only thing they actually BUFFED was her W, which may or may not make up for the nerfs to ult and Q. [/quote] Have you seen her current numbers? They didn't ACTUALLY nerf her base AD. I checked it ingame, and the numbers are the same. It's still 52. And even if they did nerf it like they said, it's 3 AD. OH NO. D: So what if her Q had an AP ratio? Did you USE it? Not if you built her like an AD carry, which is what they want her to be. The only thing that gets dropped on it is that it deals physical damage now, which it should have to begin with. Her W is now more of what you would expect out of lane harassment. That shit HURTS if you can get the reset on it. A ranged AA reset? Pretty awesome. And the CD on it is super low lategame with a flat mana cost. It's spammable and adds damage. It's a freaking BUFF. And her ult? Yeah, that's fine. It got nerfed. It did. The buff to W will make it less of an issue. Also, that PASSIVE. It's ridiculous! She's a kiting BOSS now, on the level of teemo. Red buff and that passive, or her ult and that passive, or ghost and that passive; all of them basically mean "you will never get away". It's a better MS passive than VAYNE, and it works whether you're running towards or away from your target. Her range got buffed by an incredible amount. Her range was absolute SHIT before. At least it's closer to other range champs now. There's also the whole "ricochet" thing to think about. With the range buff, W harass is going to make things really interesting. Yeah, I'd like it to be better than that, but it's about the same as TF now. She can work with that. She got buffed HARD. I'm thrilled to see her changes, and she's going to be much better. If she's not much better, they'll buff her again. But I think she's significantly better, in the AD carry sense, even if she's not necessarily as much of a split pusher.[/quote]

[quote=Yagamoth]Simply looking at the changes of Sivir, I'd say it's a buff as an AD carry for two simple reasons: - I've seen multiple top level player say, that "Range" is what makes an AD carry "the best/most useful" lategame. And her range got buffed - Her Q now being Physical damage finally allows you to make good use of Armor Pen. Especially Q being physical seems to be a awesome buff to me. Before, as a normal AD carry you never went for Spell Pen, thus every enemy had AT LEAST 25% reduced damage taken from the boomerang blade. Especially, lategame, when everyone has 1 MR item her Q damage fell off. (as in, ~75 MR reduces magical damage taken by around 50%, which is huge, since you have no spell pen.). Now, Last Whisper, Brutalizer and Arp Runes strongly help the Q, which leads to a brutally strong early game through Arp. Edit: Oh, btw. I really like Sivir for her Spellshield. In the world of combo-oriented mages such as Brand, Sion, Xeraph etc. it's so extremely powerful to negate one spell on demand.[/quote]