question on shyvana?

[quote=Jpikachu1999][quote=tehAsian] [quote=Jpikachu1999] Generally, [[Frozen Mallet]] is better than [[Warmog's Armor]] for Shyvana, as she has no innate CC, and pretty much relies on that slow for better ganks/chases. [[Trinity Force]] gives too many wasted stats to be useful on Shyvana, and is pretty expensive for a jungle build. It also gives a slow, which is wasted if you buy [[Frozen Mallet]]. [/quote] Sorry, just read this and wanted to comment :P Wat. [[trinity force]] is one of THE best items for [[shyvana]], PERIOD. Don't give me that wasted stats crap, you only waste the mana. The proc completely synergizes well with her Q, she has extremely high base stats which are boosted by [[trinity force]], it has a slow that you *WILL* proc because of AA + [[twin bite]], and move speed which is difficult to find from items that actually benefit [[shyvana]]. The AP helps your E, which in turn give you MORE on-hit damage, and it all goes back to synergy with the stats. Also, if the mana is wasted, then why do people buy [[lich bane]] on [[akali]], or [[trinity force]] on [[lee sin]]? Because the item is too damn good for them. [/quote] I guess it's just my opinion then. I know I was speaking as if it was fact, but it's probably just my opinion then. I'd prefer [[Frozen Mallet]] + some other item over [[Trinity Force]] + [[Warmog's Armor]] on Shyvana any day. I'd say you waste the mana and the AP. That little tiny bit of damage you get from [[Flame Breath]] isn't going to be that noticeable. Mana is obviously wasted. The only great things I would say from [[Trinity Force]] are the slow (which [[Frozen Mallet]] has/a better version) and the AS. I generally build [[Wit's End]] on Shyvana, so I don't necessarily need the extra AS, though it would help. Once again, the slow is better on [[Frozen Mallet]]. The health from [[Trinity Force]] is pitiful compared to [[Frozen Mallet]]. I suppose it gives more AD, but for an extra 800 gold. I've never had a problem with Shyvana not being fast enough, so I don't feel the need to have the extra MS. Also, most of my experience playing as Shyvana is in the jungle, where building [[Trinity Force]] is way too expensive for what I would rather build instead. I'm comparing the cost of [[Trinity force]], [[Warmog's Armor]], [[Atma's Impaler]] (9425 gold) versus [[Frozen Mallet]], [[The Bloodthirster]], [[Atma's Impaler]] (8605 gold). That's 800 gold less, and I prefer the set of stats the second group* of items gives compared to the first group. Others might disagree, but it's all down to personal preference. Another one of my problems with [[Trinity force]] is, besides being ridiculously expensive, the components are hard to incorporate into many champions builds. The only one that I think would be worth the slot for Shyvana is [[Phage]], but you still gotta cough up 3000~ gold straight the upgrade to the full item. [[Sheen]] seems pretty much wasted to me, you are really only going to use it on [[Twin Bite]]. [[Zeal]] is pretty meh for what it gives on Shyvana. I'd rather build [[Wit's end]] for my AS. Again, in the end, I should've just said that it is up to personal preference. I might try [[Trinity Force]] in a Shyvana build when I super fed, but otherwise, I wouldn't use it. If you're top lane, I would say it's a fine decision, especially since you aren't gonna be ganking, but I wouldn't recommend it for jungle. On a side note: I've never seen an Akali with [[Lich Bane]]. Lee Sin generally builds [[Warmog's Armor]] first and then [[Atma's Impaler]]|[[Randuin's Omen]]|More defensive items etc. Or, they build heavy AD. It's been ages, and I mean like at least 4 months, since I've seen a Lee Sin build [[Trinity Force]]. *I might even say that another combination: [[Warmog's Armor]], [[Frozen Mallet]], [[Atma's Impaler]], which costs the same amount, would be more appealing to me than [[Trinity Force]], [[Warmog's Armor]], [[Atma's Impaler]].[/quote]

[quote=Totallynotn00b]Trinity on shyvana? Maybe if she was solo top... But even then, I honestly think you're better off with fratmas or something. Jungle? You'll never get enough money to get it in time and still be tanky enough to worry their carry....[/quote]

[quote=SkullzX][quote=Jpikachu1999] Are you jungling her? If you are, the best starts are [[Cloth Armor]] + 5 [[Health potion]]s or [[Boots of speed]] + 3 [[Health Potion]]s. Shyvana is best built tankier, but you can go one of several ways. A final build should look something like this: [[Mercury's Treads]] [[Wriggle's Lantern]] [[Wit's End]] [[Frozen Mallet]] [[Atma's Impaler]] [[Randuin's Omen]] Build order something like this: [[Boots Of speed]] + 3 [[Health Potion]]s [[Vampiric Scepter]] [[Madred's Razors]] [[Wriggle's Lantern]] [[Phage]] [[Mercury's Treads]] [[Wit's End]] [[Frozen Mallet]] [[Atma's Impaler]] or [[Randuin's Omen]] [[Atma's Impaler]] or [[Randuin's Omen]] Alternative Purchase Order: [[Boots of Speed]] + 3 [[Health Potion]]s [[Vampiric Scepter]] [[Wriggle's Lantern]] [[Heart of Gold]] [[Mercury's Treads]] [[Phage]] [[Wit's End]] [[Frozen Mallet]] [[Randuin's Omen]] [[Atma's Impaler]] Obviously you can build situationally with [[Force of Nature]], [[Warmog's Armor]], and [[Guardian Angel]]. If you get enough gold you can replace [[Wriggle's Lantern]] with [[The Bloodthirster]]. Generally, [[Frozen Mallet]] is better than [[Warmog's Armor]] for Shyvana, as she has no innate CC, and pretty much relies on that slow for better ganks/chases. [[Trinity Force]] gives too many wasted stats to be useful on Shyvana, and is pretty expensive for a jungle build. It also gives a slow, which is wasted if you buy [[Frozen Mallet]]. If you are going top lane, your final build should look slightly different: [[Mercury's Treads]] [[Wit's End]] [[Frozen Mallet]] [[Warmog's Armor]] [[Atma's Impaler]] [[The Bloodthirster]] You can use the same sort of build for jungle in top lane, but you aren't going to be ganking much as top lane and you get more gold from it. Top Purchase Order: [[Boots of speed]] + 3 or 4 [[Health Potion]]s 2 [[Doran's Blade]]s [[Phage]] [[Wit's End]] [[Vampiric Scepter]] [[Mercury's Treads]] [[Frozen Mallet]] [[Atma's Impaler]] [[The Bloodthirster]] [[Warmog's Armor]] I'm not an extensive Shyvana player, but I hoped I helped you. [/quote] I was just reading stuff and saw this wall of help and care...you good sir get a +1 rep from me![/quote]

[quote=iownedya]Hmm... I tend to start with [[Boots of Speed]] + 3 or 4 [[Health Potion]]s [[Heart of Gold]] [[Wriggle's Lantern]] [[Mercury's Treads]] [[Phage]] [[Wit's End]] [[Warmog's Armor]] [[Frozen Mallet]] [[Atma's Impaler]] Sell [[Wriggle's Lantern]] for [[Randuin's Omen]]. You can change that build to rush [[Mercury's Treads]] and [[Wit's End]] earlier to counter magic damage based champions. These champions include [[Udyr]], [[Rumble]], [[Ahri]], etc. The change will be something like this: [[Boots of Speed]] + 3 or 4 [[Health Potion]]s [[Heart of Gold]] [[Wit's End]] [[Mercury's Treads]] [[Frozen Mallet]] [[Atma's Impaler]] [[Guardian Angel]] [[Randuin's Omen]] Note:[[Guardian Angel]] can be changed to your needs, but it is a very balanced item and can change a team fight. Also note that this build does not have any lifesteal sustain. I strongly suggest you get it if you are losing the lane badly. Those are for TOP LANE! Here is jungle: [[Boots of Speed]] + 3 [[Health Potion]]s [[Wriggle's Lantern]] [[Phage]] [[Mercury/'s Treads]] [[Wit's End]] [[Frozen Mallet]] [[Atma's Impaler]] [[Randuin's Omen]] Sell [[Wriggle's Lantern]] for [[Bloodthirster]]... I hope I helped you![/quote]