[DISCUSS] How to get ELO in the SOLO QUEUE?

[quote=Pølsemanden]The only place where ELO-Hell exists is: 1150-1250 And 1900+ Anywhere outside of that elo-hell is bullcrap. 1150-1250: Players start here, that's why here it is Pretty fucking random what skill the teammates has. Thus creating a elo-hell right there, since there are SOOO many different skill levels right here. 1900+: Too few players for the matchup section to work properly, thus creating unfair matchups. A 1900 elo'er going into a matchup with a 2100 elo'er top is pretty much given how the toplane is gonna turn out(unless the 1900'er picks a retarded top champ like kennen... pfft, i hate kennen....). This is not exactly elo hell though since that the teams are balanced in terms of average elo. So overall the teams should be balanced anyways. Check my sig if you feel like you're in elo-hell and can't carry yourself out of it[/quote]

[quote=samgoeslol]so winning a single game is about luck! but in the long run, chances will balance each other out. Its basic maths (empiric law of large numbers). If you don well you will have a good win/loss ratio since the chance of a troll being on the enemy-team is 25% higher than the troll being on your team. There will always be games you cant win, but there are games you cannot lose aswell. And speaking "karma", if you lose a game for your team, you "deserve" to lose 4 more games! If you say its not about skill, then watch a mid/highelo player play in 1200 elo. He will have huge winratios because he has the skillset to actually get about 20 kills in 20 minutes! There will always be elo swings, but if you way above your "true elo" you will consistently do bad and vice versa. If you think you were just unlucky in some games, you might be right. But ask yourself the following question: is there no way i coulda carried taht game? If and only if you can say No to that question 100% of the games, you can strat talking about how you got owned by matchmaking. One simple trick to win mid/lowelo rankedgames: buy tons of wards (i buy 3-5 wards almost every time i back when i play on a smurf) that way you can pickup freekills in the enemyjungle and prevent your teammates from dying (if they dont back, just run there and countergank!) greez sam I will sometimes be streaming low elo games on a friend's account, check it out on [url]strawhatbro.net[url][/quote]

[quote=Slappiz][quote=ProAsylum] [quote=Slappiz] Imo this is complete bs, after about 150-200 ranked games you probably positioned yourself in your "true elo".. [/quote] no not at all. before you start ranking and after 200 games.... are you still the player with the same skills? I see that you have only around 30/30 games in ranked, then you won't understand this thread. [/quote] LoL ? i got 30/30 in ranked games, u retarded ? got 250 games played and 1900ish rating[/quote]

[quote=ProAsylum][quote=samgoeslol] [...] If you say its not about skill, then watch a mid/highelo player play in 1200 elo. He will have huge winratios because he has the skillset to actually get about 20 kills in 20 minutes! [...] [/quote] Sure. I played with my mate's account on 1k ELO, too and pretty much won all games. Of course skill is one of the factors I mentioned but in my opinion the other factors have more weight.[/quote]

[quote=ProAsylum][quote=Slappiz] [quote=ProAsylum] [quote=Slappiz] Imo this is complete bs, after about 150-200 ranked games you probably positioned yourself in your "true elo".. [/quote] no not at all. before you start ranking and after 200 games.... are you still the player with the same skills? I see that you have only around 30/30 games in ranked, then you won't understand this thread. [/quote] LoL ? i got 30/30 in ranked games, u retarded ? got 250 games played and 1900ish rating [/quote] ops i'm sorry. I thought you are EU-W. no need to be offensive.[/quote]

[quote=xIchi]The point here isn't that ProAsylum is crying about himself beeing stuck in some elo. What you said is completely right, and a professinal could just beat everyone up in 1,2k elo. (like I did in the lower elos with my 0 to 1520+ project). What he wants to know is the opinion of everyone else here. And I voted for luck. You can do maths with big numbers, but in the end every little number in the whole number salad is one human. You cannot do maths with the human mentality/skill. The 25% of troll is true, but then the troll can still own actually. As long as it is not a feeding on purpose troll. And as GMD said, the Elo system is not made for Teamgames. It's from chess, where ppl play 1on1... so an elo system that would work on a teamgame would be really hard...[/quote]

[quote=ProAsylum][quote=xIchi] The point here isn't that ProAsylum is crying about himself beeing stuck in some elo. What you said is completely right, and a professinal could just beat everyone up in 1,2k elo. (like I did in the lower elos with my 0 to 1520+ project). What he wants to know is the opinion of everyone else here. And I voted for luck. You can do maths with big numbers, but in the end every little number in the whole number salad is one human. You cannot do maths with the human mentality/skill. The 25% of troll is true, but then the troll can still own actually. As long as it is not a feeding on purpose troll. And as GMD said, the Elo system is not made for Teamgames. It's from chess, where ppl play 1on1... so an elo system that would work on a teamgame would be really hard... [/quote] where is the like button on mobafire[/quote]

[quote=samgoeslol][quote=ProAsylum] [quote=samgoeslol] [...] If you say its not about skill, then watch a mid/highelo player play in 1200 elo. He will have huge winratios because he has the skillset to actually get about 20 kills in 20 minutes! [...] [/quote] Sure. I played with my mate's account on 1k ELO, too and pretty much won all games. Of course skill is one of the factors I mentioned but in my opinion the other factors have more weight. [/quote] what other factors are there that dont even themselves out after a high quantity of games? I definitely understand your viewpoint but after playing tens of thousands of hands in online poker and making a decent deal of money with it, i feel that the same rules can be applied to soloQ. There are always hands you play perfectly but lose because you got sucked out (ie the enemy hitting a 2outer on the river) And there will always be hands where you tiltshove QQ vs AA and hit the Q on the flop. Or where you just get cooler'd by AA when you hold KK and hit the K the principle is the same and trust me ive seen swings you wouldnt believe EG i had negative stats with AA in shortstackstrategy (ie pretty much shoving preflop) and positive stats on 67o over a samplesize of about 50k hands... At the end of the day/month/year you prettymuch get the bb/100 you deserve. (bigblind/100hands) greez sam[/quote]

[quote=Wayne3100][quote=UnicornRage] Or.. might it be the first time you were at 1.5k ELO, you didn't deserve to be there? [/quote] My thoughts exactly. What makes you say you don't belong in that ELO range? Are you heavily fed every game, outplaying every opponent you face? I honestly doubt it. I'm not saying you don't belong higher, but I dislike people acting like they should be much higher than they are right now. If you deserve to be 2k, for example, you won't get stuck in 1500, that simple.[/quote]

[quote=samgoeslol]another thing i would like to add here is that one can reduce the chances of his own team feeding/trolling by being friendly. The next thing is if you play jungle/mid/top/support (ie everything exept ad-carry) you can gank other lanes and make sure they win their respective lanes. How many games did i win all 3 lanes by myself even tho i was the only one doing well on his own? many games! If you can crush your own lane you should be able to win other lanes for your team aswell and force objectives. Whenever i play kat/fizz i spend most of my game on sidelanes/in the enemy jungle. greez sam[/quote]