Non-Conventional Supports

[quote=MungoGeri][quote=MissMaw]Personally I think Zyra kind of sucks at the moment. I only know maybe two (that's including MungoGeri) people who play her still, support or otherwise.[/quote] She's a hyper-carry who deals an amazing amount of AOE damage. If the game goes over 30 minutes, I often have the most damage dealt to champions on my team, even though I was a "support."[/quote]

[quote=Jovy]I know what she does and what she's like, but I still think she's lowish tier.[/quote]

[quote=utopus]She's like [[vel'koz]], only easier to catch, and she provides REAL CC to your teammates[/quote]

[quote=XeresAce]I really like zyra but she, along with vel' koz, just sucks right now. Sure, I do a ton of damage but I get caught out so easily with my pathetic movespeed and my snare is just very very clunky and hard to use as an actual AoE cc (her ult is strong, and her plants provide good zone control but both sort of require setup which SUCKS). Karma is the only one out of the three who still remains strong, although she's not exactly amazing either.[/quote]

[quote=Jovy]I don't like either of them and, in addition to playing champions that destroy them, I feel as though they're not strong at all, so that's nice. Tbh, and I don't know if this is just me or what, I feel like Zyra's ult is very hard to use without putting yourself in danger, because you kind of need to position yourself so that you are close to it, and if you do, you're also close to your enemy, and they pop you.[/quote]

[quote=XeresAce]^ Yeah. That's one of the many things that completely hit zyra in the gutter. Rito needs to give back her ult range and movespeed :( Karma is still strong vs thresh, nami and annie from what I've experienced xD[/quote]

[quote=Jovy][quote=XeresAce]Rito needs to give back her ult range and movespeed :( [/quote]O-or leave her to wilt. Wilting is good too.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=MissMaw]Personally I think Zyra kind of sucks at the moment. I only know maybe two (that's including MungoGeri) people who play her still, support or otherwise.[/quote]I still play her occasionally @related comments [[Karma]] is just safer than either [[Vel'koz]] or [[zyra]]. Her innate mobility is better and she's less squishy.[/quote]

[quote=Hatted][quote=The_Nameless_Bard] @related comments [[Karma]] is just safer than either [[Vel'koz]] or [[zyra]]. Her innate mobility is better and she's less squishy.[/quote] OH MY GAAAAD, KARMA! Are people using her now? I saw two in a row and the second pushed my little boy butthole in with her low CD abilities. Is she tier'd at all?[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][[Karma]]'s been a thing for a while now lol. She's like tier 2.[/quote]