Can Tri Force make Ashe viable?

[quote=Electro522]I just spectated a game with an Ashe that built [[infinity edge]], [[trinity force]], [[last whisper]], [[phantom dancer]], [[guardian angel]], and [[boots of swiftness]] with (I believe) the fruor enchantment. Surprisingly, she did quite well. Somewhat of a normal ADC build, except for the swifty boots, and, the most surprising item, Tri Force. Granted, her [[braum]] was OP as hell, and her ultimates were on point (there were a couple times where the enemy Gangplank saw an arrow fly right in front of his face that came from across the map), but even though she had a pretty decent team that could work well with her, she did well for an Ashe. And that got me thinking. I've been trying to figure out a way to make Ashe viable without having to build the standard ADC build (IE, BT, LW, etc.), and I figured out that she could benefit from quite well from Tri Force. I hate to bore you with math, but I wanted to bring it up. A standard Ashe combo is first a W, followed by a passive buffed auto attack. This particular Ashe was doing fine with with just IE, LW, and Tri Force. Those 3 items give you 150 AD. Now, building Tri Force takes time, so, assuming that she gets to, lets say, level 11, and she is able to get these 3 items (which is not impossible without getting horribly fed.....I think) her base damage is 82, giving her a total of 232 AD. With runes and masteries, this should go up to around 285, more or less depending on the rune page and masteries (I based that number off of my own pages). 285 AD at level 11 is decent, certainly not amazing, but decent. However, we do need to throw in the item passives (we'll ignore the armor pen from LW for simplicity's sake). Now, a Sheen will proc before a crit strike, and since Ashe's base damage is 82 at lvl 11, this gives her 164 AD off of a Sheen proc, giving one auto attack 449 AD. Now, we can throw in IE, which gives 250% crit damage, and since Ashe is given a guaranteed crit strike, this one auto attack will deal (about) 1122 damage before armor is applied. Her W has a 100% AD ratio, so, it's easy to figure out the damage it will deal before armor.....285. When using her combo, with those items, runes, and masteries, she has a VERY generous burst of 1407 physical damage. To compare, if you have a Bloodthirster instead of a Tri Force, this number drops to 1160, about 250 damage LESS (and this is at the same level, same masteries, and same runes). Now, of course, there are plenty of counter arguments to this, such as no lifesteal, Tri Force is extremely expensive (although, IE is a bit more expensive), its a very late game focused build, this burst can only come about once per team fight, etc. However, Ashe can benefit off of every stat it gives: health, mana, attack speed, damage, ability power, move speed, and crit chance. I don't know about any of you, but it seems as if the negatives out-weigh the positives here. What do you guys think?[/quote]

[quote=Electro522]Feel free to correct me if I made a mistake somewhere. I have small feeling I did.[/quote]

[quote=Slappiz]Ashe+TF=Legit I usually build [[Infinity Edge]], [[Youmuu's ghostblade]] and [[Trinity force]] on my Ashe. Arrow in the face, 100%Crit+Trinity proc, pop ghostblade and kill stuff. I don't usually buy a defensive item when I use this build so I get [[Statikk Shiv]] for more burst and attack speed. Kite build: Add [[Blade of the ruined king]] and [[Berserker's Greaves - Furor]]. Have fun :D Lacks the damage of the more mainstream ADC build but it's fun and it works good against squishy enemies.[/quote]

[quote=Zordagoth]I never tried [[youmuu's ghostblade]] but I do build [[trinity force]] sometimes when I don't want a defensive item (aka : YOLO). The burst is real :D[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Eeeeeh no. I mean it's not completely awful but Shiv is more DPS for a cheaper price and a way better build path, especially considering Ashe only has one ability that's not on a huge cooldown - and even then 4 seconds isn't optimal for Triforce. In fact, on Ashe specifically I'm pretty sure you even get as much burst with Shiv because you're guaranteed to get a Shiv proc crit on your first autoattack (200 damage AoE). Triforce damage falls off pretty hard, if you buy it it's for the utility of the Phage passive movement speed - which [i]is[/i] pretty good on Ashe - or because your champion innately has godlike synergy with it (i.e. you are [[corki]]). No lifesteal isn't really an option. There's no need to try to make her viable though because she already is. If you want to play her then go ahead and do it. :^)[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark]Yeah Ashe is perfectly viable, especially at lower Elo where people can't really punish you for picking an insuperior champion because they don't know how to play their own champ properly.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=Vapora Dark]Yeah Ashe is perfectly viable, especially at lower Elo where people can't really punish you for picking an insuperior champion because they don't know how to play their own champ properly.[/quote]Yea, that's only sort of true. When you're low elo you're often bad yourself and [[Ashe]] is perhaps one of the last ADCs I want to see randos playing as a support main. She's ahead of [[Varus]] and [[Jinx]] because people don't usually try to build her strangely to compensate for her having such low mobility, but not by much because instead they just get grabbed every two minutes or otherwise have the shit beaten out of them because they can't dodge skillshots for shit.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites]I guess [[Ashe]] is viable in the sense that you can pick her and do well with her, but honestly she's a terrible pick. I mean it's like saying [[quinn]] is viable, I guess she is in some regards but she's absolutely terrible. [[Ashe]] is probably [[quinn]]/[[urgot]] tier (although I actually don't think urgot is that terrible). I don't think Tri-force will make her viable, it's a decent item, but [[Ashe]] scales well into the late game, she has no steroid and scales off quite a bit of crit, so she needs some items to be effective compared to other adc's. Triforce probably delays your IE way too much[/quote]

[quote=Electro522]I did play a game with this build (except I switched out swifty boots for berserkers). Built IE just fine, proceeded to build TF just fine. Then Last Whisper. I must admit, I really enjoyed it! Phage helped the kiting, Sheen and IE improved the burst. It was just awesome! I think I may very well continue building her this way.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites]Tri-force is generally an item you build while you're ahead or to get ahead. I mean there's a reason most ezreal and corki and kogmaw players build triforce first. It's a good item to snowball off of. I think it's effectiveness is greatly dimished if you build it later, especially on a champion like ashe, you're probably better off just getting statikk shiv or phantom dancer[/quote]