Quick question about Ryze and Zhonya's Hourglass

[quote=dadde]Would it be practical for Ryze to have a Zhonya's Hourglass? I realize that Ryze is now based upon strictly mana due to the AP nerf however would it make that big a difference to have just the one item in trade for the extra survivibility. I was thinking that if the build went something like this. Sapphire Crystal 2 pots Tear of the Goddess Catalyst the Protector Rod of Ages Sorcerer's Shoes Zhonya's Hourglass Thats the exact start of the highest rated Ryze build out there, so how practical is that since Ryze seems to be a focuz fire target later on in the games. Thanks in advance for your thoughts.[/quote]

[quote=Trojan995]No. Get a [[frozen heart]], more damage and more survivability. Problem solved.[/quote]

[quote=dadde]Sorry, i wasnt being specific enough in the origional post. Would it be practice to opt out a Banshee's Veil or Thornmail or even a Guardian Angel for a Hourglass because you do get a Frozen Heart later on in the build.[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport]Zhonya's is ideal for burst champions. But, it's a silly choice for DPS. 2 seconds out of battle are 2 seconds you can't attack the enemy.[/quote]

[quote=Zeprido]Ryze is reliant on dps and items with both mana and defenses to thrive, I agree that 2 seconds of zhonyas is 2 seconds you could spend melting the enemy.[/quote]

[quote=animorte]I find Zhonya's completely useless. While somebody has just used it's active to preserve their lives a couple extra seconds, they are just letting my cooldowns run off, making the kill so much easier.[/quote]

[quote=Scrax]Time it right and you'll avoid, say, [[Summon: Tibbers]] :) Though I have to say it's completely useless on [[Ryze]].[/quote]

[quote=Trojan995][quote=dadde] Sorry, i wasnt being specific enough in the origional post. Would it be practice to opt out a Banshee's Veil or Thornmail or even a Guardian Angel for a Hourglass because you do get a Frozen Heart later on in the build. [/quote] Don't opt out a Banshee's Veil - the mana is essential for your damage. By end-game, you should have more than enough armor, MR, and health to not need a thornmail or guardian angel - by then, it's best to just get a [[rabadon's deathcap]], which gives more AP.[/quote]

[quote=Zeprido]I personally find ap scaling on Ryze to be absolutely terrible, which is why I usually skip AP completely.[/quote]

[quote=Trojan995][quote=Zeprido] I personally find ap scaling on Ryze to be absolutely terrible, which is why I usually skip AP completely. [/quote] As a 6th item, ONLY if more pure dmg is wanted, a Rabadon's is okay. However, something like a 2nd RoA might be better.[/quote]