Darius: OP or no?

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Klausenheim] I think the most surprising aspect of [[Darius]] is that his ult was seemingly designed to stomp noobs, something that RIOT tries to actively discourage. Champs that are toxic to low level play and mediocre at the competitive level generally get reworked so that they have a better balance. I'm not saying it always works, but RIOT does at least make the attempt. In this case, they went the completely opposite direction. [/quote] Exactly.[/quote]

[quote=UsernameSayWha]Make his ult do physical damage instead of true. Problem solved.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]That's a decent idea but not really necessary.[/quote]

[quote=Opaque_Shadow]The true damage isn't even that much, I'm sure if yo compared his ult damage during game to the true damage done by a GOOD AD [[corki]] it probably wouldn't come close in totals. Really his ult is just a large finisher, though it does look bad ass when he uses it. I mean honestly the refresh on kills isn't even that useful if there aren't three or fours champs on low health nearby to slay.[/quote]

[quote=Opaque_Shadow][quote=tehAsian] That team has literally no CC except for ults. Slows don't count. But it's a good idea to make him cleanup in an AoE comp. [/quote] thanks for agreeing. However, I must disagree on the slow thing. Slow is a C effect depending on how it's used: it can keep a turret diver in range to get blasted to death, it can keep a melee champ the hell away from you, it can ruin a carry's ability to kite or get into a good position, and if your [[darius]]it will shut you down entirely and make you a useless meat puppet for the enemy team to feast on (seirously if you see an [[ashe]] on the enemy team just don't pick [[darius]] unless you WANT to feed her.)[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian]I like how all three vote things are almost perfectly balanced. o_o[/quote]

[quote=animorte]People are confused.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][[Darius]] is a bruiser who HAS to build damage in order to deal it, restricting him in his build choice. His passive and low mana cost/high damage on his Q, [[Decimate]], grants him great laning power. His W, however, is rather weak in the early-game and only becomes relevant once the player has aquired sufficient AD. [[Darius]]' E is okay-ish, even though it lacks range. It has a high cool down and it doesn't deal damage. The passive % armour penetration is pretty neat though. Last, not least ofc, is his ultimate: [[Noxian Guillotine]]. The mechanic is, in my opinion, quite stupid but not really OP. The ult makes him a great janitor but it only deals proper damage once the player has applied enough stacks of [[Hemorrhage]] otherwise it simply doesn't deal enough damage to finish players off. Therefore, the ultimate can't just be used by spamming R, it requires preparation unless enemies are extremely low but then he might as well use his Q for that. Recapping, [[Darius]] is not OP since he is restricted in his build, he lacks a proper gap-closer and his ultimate is a simple damage dealer without any utility at all. Although [[Darius]] has an above average laning phase, he lacks teamfighting potential since he has high risk of getting blown-up or kited easily as he lacks a proper gap-closer. Additionally, he has no ability to initiate and can't use his ultimate early if he wants to make the most out of it. [rule] [indent][b][h3]TL;DR[/h3][/b][/indent] [list] [*] Lacks a proper gap-closer [*] Needs to build damage in order to deal it since his W is heavily dependant on AD and his E deals no damage. [*] Lacks initiation power. [*] Strong laning phase. [*] Powerful passive. [*] Great Janitor. [*] Probably a project á la [[Fiora]] (no pun intended): OP unless people know how to play against him and how to counter him. [/list] Thanks for reading, GrandmasterD[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian]There's actually a bug in [[darius]]'s ult where he doesn't have to kill someone to refresh it. Apparently, if he ults and his PASSIVE kills the person it gets refreshed again.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=tehAsian] There's actually a bug in [[darius]]'s ult where he doesn't have to kill someone to refresh it. Apparently, if he ults and his PASSIVE kills the person it gets refreshed again. [/quote] Not a bug, the ultimate must kill the target or the target must die within 0.5 seconds after the ultimate was landed. This is intentional, check [url=http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Darius]the wiki[/url] for more info.[/quote]