7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=MungoGeri][quote=Zordagoth]I think [[Nautilus]] will not be more picked than before, the changes are really good but it's not like he became super strong.[/quote] So far, I'm rolling people over with Nautilus. Mind you, this is in Silver, so take that for what it's worth. But I can definitely see him carrying me up to Gold in a hurry. Great tankiness, great CC, and a surprisingly large amount of damage. BTW, my typical build against a typical team is: [[stalker's blade - cinderhulk]] [[Mercury's Treads - alacrity]] [[thornmail]] [[spirit visage]] [[liandry's torment]] [[ohmwrecker]][/quote]

[quote=Zordagoth][quote=VexRoth]he needs to sit on his carries and offer a true damage love tap followed up by more CC to anyone that dares to muss them. [/quote] Cho peels really well, your Q is much easier to land when you just aim your own carry, and this silence cripple assassin really hard. I'm really looking forward your jungle updates, as most of the champs that got buffs, or benefit from cinderhulk are my favorites junglers ([[zac]], [[sejuani]], [[rammus]], [[nautilus]]) Might try out the graggy too :p[/quote]

[quote=VexRoth][quote=NicknameMy]The window Cho doesn't have 6 stacks is 1 minute and 12 seconds.[/quote] + death timer. Maintaining stacks is easier in a team environment because they are much less likely to make bad engages. In solo queue that is practically the name of the game. No tank? Let's go! xD[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64][quote=MungoGeri][quote=Zordagoth]I think [[Nautilus]] will not be more picked than before, the changes are really good but it's not like he became super strong.[/quote] So far, I'm rolling people over with Nautilus. Mind you, this is in Silver, so take that for what it's worth. But I can definitely see him carrying me up to Gold in a hurry. Great tankiness, great CC, and a surprisingly large amount of damage. BTW, my typical build against a typical team is: [[stalker's blade - cinderhulk]] [[Mercury's Treads - alacrity]] [[thornmail]] [[spirit visage]] [[liandry's torment]] [[ohmwrecker]][/quote] you should try banshees veil instead of spirit visage, since naut doesnt really do any healing unless you have trailblazer but its not really worth it, you can make up the CDR by getting frozen heart instead of thornmail also i played a naut game and his early clear is better with the lower damages of gromp and birdies but still not as good as sejuani is overall[/quote]

[quote=MungoGeri][quote=DillButt64]you should try banshees veil instead of spirit visage, since naut doesnt really do any healing unless you have trailblazer but its not really worth it, you can make up the CDR by getting frozen heart instead of thornmail[/quote] I'll give it some thought, but I'd hate to give up the damage from the [[thornmail]]. But I see what you're getting at. [quote=DillButt64]also i played a naut game and his early clear is better with the lower damages of gromp and birdies but still not as good as sejuani is overall[/quote] The clears are definitely great, but what I like is being able to spam his [[riptide]] -- the cooldown gets down to 3 seconds at max rank and max CDR. With [[liandry's torment]] on him, you can just keep tossing it out and really wreak havoc on a big section of the enemy team.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]You can also use [[frozen heart]] instead of [[ohmwrecker]] and [[locket of the iron solari]] instead of [[spirit visage]], would help the team the most. Then 5% CDR from runes and 5% from masteries. Also, you could try out to get [[sorcerer's shoes]] instead of [[mercury's treads]] and put a [[haunting guise]] in front of [[thornmail]]. I played that on [[amumu]] and it gave me a massive powerspike where I could oneshot the enemy carry if hit by Q+E+R.[/quote]

[quote=Blian]sad to see that [[Kog'Maw]] has fallen back a lot in the last season. is it only because the lack of escape?[/quote]

[quote=utopus]Tbh I don't see any reason to pick [[kog'maw]] over [[jinx]] right now. Jinx is just reliably safer with the [[flame chompers!]], and [[get excited!]], and can really always benefit from things like [[black shield]]. Kog'maw is kinda in a rough spot right now because he doesn't really do any damage when his [[bio-arcane barrage]] is down[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy][[kog'maw]] has way stronger poke thanks to his ultimate and lategame damage than [[jinx]]. If you play [[kog'maw]], you always need that [[lulu]]+[[janna]]/[[nami]] on your side so you just poke them down as long as the buffs on you last. Also, Kog deals no damage while W is on cooldown? No, he just shredds your armor and has an as-steroid, totally deals no damage. Also, how does [[kog'maw]] not benefit from [[black shield]]? ADC's also always focus tanks and [[kog'maw]] is by far the best in that.[/quote]

[quote=utopus]What's kog'maw's autoattack range when[[bio-arcane barrage]] is down? 500 IIRC. How is there any doubt ANY DOUBT that that is at all safer than jinx's 700 range AAs? Without bio-arcane barrage, jinx will shred tanks faster than kog'maw, if you're really going to factor in attack speed. Additionally, games are usually decided by the time kog'maw gets 6 item and starts shredding tanks. Lastly, kog'maw struggles when people jump on him, which will inevitably happen when his bio arcane barrage is down. Jinx can at least do something about it, and doesn't have to rely on her whole team helping her... I'm not pointing to kog'maw's lack of damage, rather his lack of reliability; His dependence on others, and his dependence on immaculate positioning makes him less desirable to pick over jinx[/quote]