A Flash Free Season Three!

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Mooninites] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Hyogetaki Hisame] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=MyRepublic] If a plan is stupid but it works it wasn't stupid. Likewise if you make a bad play, but it works it wasn't bad. Flash makes it work. That doesn't mean that a "bad play worked" it means that a plan that involved flash worked. You're so bassackwards with your logic. [/quote] If you don't have anything useful to contribute; don't say anything at all then. Oh just for the record: The fact [[Flash]] makes it work is the issue here. [/quote] No offense, but he actually said something EXTREMELY important. You've been saying the whole day that flash is a no brainer. Well, actually a plan that involves flashes is in no way a no brainer, since it was planed. The Ammumu who flash ult you? He planed it. The Olaf who wot first blood and flashed through his escape route? He planed it. The Alistar who flash Pulverise head butt? He planned it The Skarner who flash ult your Vayne? He planed it. The Shen who flash shadow dash? He planed it. The Sona who flash crescendo? She planed it. The Morgana who flash ultimate? She planed it. The Maokai who flash twisted advance? He planed it. In every single case, the player actually planed the play, and executed it to perfection, it is actually your fault for staying at flash range from him when you knew he can execute such a combo. [/quote] It is planned but still a no-brainer. Getting in range to land an ultimate without the use of [[Flash]] requires strategy and tactics. With [[Flash]] it's just "press F/D and Win!". This kind of mindset isn't something I like and want to be promoted in a strategic game. [/quote] try looking at it from a practicality stand point, no one is ever going to use galio if he can't initiate with a flash+ult. [/quote] That either means that [[Galio]] would deserve a little buff then or his ult shouldn't be regarded as an initiate.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites][quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Mooninites] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Hyogetaki Hisame] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=MyRepublic] If a plan is stupid but it works it wasn't stupid. Likewise if you make a bad play, but it works it wasn't bad. Flash makes it work. That doesn't mean that a "bad play worked" it means that a plan that involved flash worked. You're so bassackwards with your logic. [/quote] If you don't have anything useful to contribute; don't say anything at all then. Oh just for the record: The fact [[Flash]] makes it work is the issue here. [/quote] No offense, but he actually said something EXTREMELY important. You've been saying the whole day that flash is a no brainer. Well, actually a plan that involves flashes is in no way a no brainer, since it was planed. The Ammumu who flash ult you? He planed it. The Olaf who wot first blood and flashed through his escape route? He planed it. The Alistar who flash Pulverise head butt? He planned it The Skarner who flash ult your Vayne? He planed it. The Shen who flash shadow dash? He planed it. The Sona who flash crescendo? She planed it. The Morgana who flash ultimate? She planed it. The Maokai who flash twisted advance? He planed it. In every single case, the player actually planed the play, and executed it to perfection, it is actually your fault for staying at flash range from him when you knew he can execute such a combo. [/quote] It is planned but still a no-brainer. Getting in range to land an ultimate without the use of [[Flash]] requires strategy and tactics. With [[Flash]] it's just "press F/D and Win!". This kind of mindset isn't something I like and want to be promoted in a strategic game. [/quote] try looking at it from a practicality stand point, no one is ever going to use galio if he can't initiate with a flash+ult. [/quote] That either means that [[Galio]] would deserve a little buff then or his ult shouldn't be regarded as an initiate. [/quote] congratulations, [[galio]] is no longer a competitive pick[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Mooninites] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Mooninites] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Hyogetaki Hisame] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=MyRepublic] If a plan is stupid but it works it wasn't stupid. Likewise if you make a bad play, but it works it wasn't bad. Flash makes it work. That doesn't mean that a "bad play worked" it means that a plan that involved flash worked. You're so bassackwards with your logic. [/quote] If you don't have anything useful to contribute; don't say anything at all then. Oh just for the record: The fact [[Flash]] makes it work is the issue here. [/quote] No offense, but he actually said something EXTREMELY important. You've been saying the whole day that flash is a no brainer. Well, actually a plan that involves flashes is in no way a no brainer, since it was planed. The Ammumu who flash ult you? He planed it. The Olaf who wot first blood and flashed through his escape route? He planed it. The Alistar who flash Pulverise head butt? He planned it The Skarner who flash ult your Vayne? He planed it. The Shen who flash shadow dash? He planed it. The Sona who flash crescendo? She planed it. The Morgana who flash ultimate? She planed it. The Maokai who flash twisted advance? He planed it. In every single case, the player actually planed the play, and executed it to perfection, it is actually your fault for staying at flash range from him when you knew he can execute such a combo. [/quote] It is planned but still a no-brainer. Getting in range to land an ultimate without the use of [[Flash]] requires strategy and tactics. With [[Flash]] it's just "press F/D and Win!". This kind of mindset isn't something I like and want to be promoted in a strategic game. [/quote] try looking at it from a practicality stand point, no one is ever going to use galio if he can't initiate with a flash+ult. [/quote] That either means that [[Galio]] would deserve a little buff then or his ult shouldn't be regarded as an initiate. [/quote] congratulations, [[galio]] is no longer a competitive pick [/quote] Bullshit and you know it.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]"HOLD FAST MEN, I WILL INITIATE WITH [[GHOST]]+[[Idol of Durand]]; steady, steady, CHARGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" *speeds into the lane to land his ultimate and misses because everyone pops their ghost too and easily avoids him* "Well men, I shall retire now for having failed you, let Malphite take my place". *cue a deeply saddening set of chords, end scene*[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites][quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Mooninites] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Mooninites] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Hyogetaki Hisame] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=MyRepublic] If a plan is stupid but it works it wasn't stupid. Likewise if you make a bad play, but it works it wasn't bad. Flash makes it work. That doesn't mean that a "bad play worked" it means that a plan that involved flash worked. You're so bassackwards with your logic. [/quote] If you don't have anything useful to contribute; don't say anything at all then. Oh just for the record: The fact [[Flash]] makes it work is the issue here. [/quote] No offense, but he actually said something EXTREMELY important. You've been saying the whole day that flash is a no brainer. Well, actually a plan that involves flashes is in no way a no brainer, since it was planed. The Ammumu who flash ult you? He planed it. The Olaf who wot first blood and flashed through his escape route? He planed it. The Alistar who flash Pulverise head butt? He planned it The Skarner who flash ult your Vayne? He planed it. The Shen who flash shadow dash? He planed it. The Sona who flash crescendo? She planed it. The Morgana who flash ultimate? She planed it. The Maokai who flash twisted advance? He planed it. In every single case, the player actually planed the play, and executed it to perfection, it is actually your fault for staying at flash range from him when you knew he can execute such a combo. [/quote] It is planned but still a no-brainer. Getting in range to land an ultimate without the use of [[Flash]] requires strategy and tactics. With [[Flash]] it's just "press F/D and Win!". This kind of mindset isn't something I like and want to be promoted in a strategic game. [/quote] try looking at it from a practicality stand point, no one is ever going to use galio if he can't initiate with a flash+ult. [/quote] That either means that [[Galio]] would deserve a little buff then or his ult shouldn't be regarded as an initiate. [/quote] congratulations, [[galio]] is no longer a competitive pick [/quote] Bullshit and you know it. [/quote] give a reason he would be competitive without flash im calling bullshit on you still waiting for a valid response to the idea that a number of champions rely on flash for competitive viability....18 pages and counting[/quote]

[quote=MyRepublic]I don't understand. He seems to be just denying every argument without anything to back up his denials. Cuz that's what it is. It's just denial.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Mooninites] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Mooninites] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Mooninites] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Hyogetaki Hisame] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=MyRepublic] If a plan is stupid but it works it wasn't stupid. Likewise if you make a bad play, but it works it wasn't bad. Flash makes it work. That doesn't mean that a "bad play worked" it means that a plan that involved flash worked. You're so bassackwards with your logic. [/quote] If you don't have anything useful to contribute; don't say anything at all then. Oh just for the record: The fact [[Flash]] makes it work is the issue here. [/quote] No offense, but he actually said something EXTREMELY important. You've been saying the whole day that flash is a no brainer. Well, actually a plan that involves flashes is in no way a no brainer, since it was planed. The Ammumu who flash ult you? He planed it. The Olaf who wot first blood and flashed through his escape route? He planed it. The Alistar who flash Pulverise head butt? He planned it The Skarner who flash ult your Vayne? He planed it. The Shen who flash shadow dash? He planed it. The Sona who flash crescendo? She planed it. The Morgana who flash ultimate? She planed it. The Maokai who flash twisted advance? He planed it. In every single case, the player actually planed the play, and executed it to perfection, it is actually your fault for staying at flash range from him when you knew he can execute such a combo. [/quote] It is planned but still a no-brainer. Getting in range to land an ultimate without the use of [[Flash]] requires strategy and tactics. With [[Flash]] it's just "press F/D and Win!". This kind of mindset isn't something I like and want to be promoted in a strategic game. [/quote] try looking at it from a practicality stand point, no one is ever going to use galio if he can't initiate with a flash+ult. [/quote] That either means that [[Galio]] would deserve a little buff then or his ult shouldn't be regarded as an initiate. [/quote] congratulations, [[galio]] is no longer a competitive pick [/quote] Bullshit and you know it. [/quote] give a reason he would be competitive without flash im calling bullshit on you still waiting for a valid response to the idea that a number of champions rely on flash for competitive viability....18 pages and counting [/quote] Galio's ultimate does usually a lot better as follow up on an [[unstoppable force]] or [[curse of the sad mummy]]; he can still do that. Also, the fact that champions actually rely on [[Flash]] is imo pretty weird considering the concept of Summoner Spells.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=MyRepublic] I don't understand. He seems to be just denying every argument without anything to back up his denials. Cuz that's what it is. It's just denial. [/quote] I back up everything but you guys just don't read and I'm tired of explaining everything over and over again.[/quote]

[quote=NinjaGinge]Lol, I'll restate a tad here but also extend just slightly. I hope this adds some degree to the discussion because despite the brick wall it's at now this has been a very good discussion imo. ^__^ I truly and honestly would not be against this if it wasn't already so ground into the game, and quite frankly I think Riot likes it where it is. [list] [*]The number of champions who would need to be retooled and/or (because both will happen without a doubt) lose viability entirely would be absurd. Sooooo much work for Riot and soooo many mad players who are now without a number of fun and effective strategies regarding their favorite champions/roles. [*]Way more passive play. Look at the other MOBAs, without out this universally accessible skill the lack of forgiveness creates ultra careful play that requires extreme strategy, care and attention in order to be aggressive in comparison to LoL. Riot knows this. Idk if anyone remembers when riot made the changes to minion damage and heal nerfs. There's also the stealth rework and the list goes on. Riot made all these changes under the banner of "promoting a more aggressive and exciting game." [*]Being able to use it to get out of bad situations is something that helps new players learn their limits without costing them everything. By popping flash to get out of their noobtastic predicament they are penalized by not being able to use that ability if they make a mistake again or encounter a situation where it was needed. Having a game that is fast paced, strategic and a little forgiving is Riot's basis for having one of the most successful PC games on the planet. [*] As for high level play it's existence allows for some really phenomenal plays and it adds a lot to the viewing pleasure of the game. I can honestly tolerate the occasional "get-out-of-jail-esq" usage if I get to keep seeing those plays that make me go "OH SHIIIIIIIIIT". Losing that factor would really damage LoL as a spectator e-sport. [/list] Even IF anyone here was going to come to an agreement on this I think it's very clear that [[Flash]] is here to stay for these reasons alone. The style of gameplay its existence allows for is a major factor in Riot's success and getting rid of it really just isn't an option for Riot as a production team or as a company. Also, I'm really tired so I probably derped hard somewhere in writing this. Let me know so I can fix it xP[/quote]

[quote=Minho]Don't fix what isn't broken? o.o[/quote]