Volibear Patch Preview

[quote=Temzilla][quote=Wintermond] Aww yeah, lets make this game casual. [/quote] Awww Yeah the game wasn't casual already. I'm fucking tired of everyone saying that counter jungling is a big deal. It's not. Counter jungling to a good jungler was never a huge, game breaking skillful thing, it was just something that happened. In fact, proper warding stops most counter jungling, and actually punishes it REALLY hard. You can't counter jungle in ultra high level games, so all it hurts are the people running bad jungling champs, who are actually hurt by ganking. ALL of these changes are aimed at increasing ganking, and increasing aggression. And then riot gets criticized for making the game "too easy" or "casual". You people make me sick sometimes.[/quote]

[quote=Fox Rage]Time to bring back my good ol' jungle karthus! No seriously, stupid patch IMO, except the buff on sivir. The main peoblem with jungler is that they usually don't gank when you really REALLY need one, so now, Riot make the respawn timer even lower for jungler creeps? Thumbs up for no gank at top until level 18! P.S. IMO, Riot should have increased the creep respawn timer a bit but increase XP gain at the same time. Counter-jungle would be A LOT more useful then. And you would still gain a lot of XP. Counter-jungler is just too easy to ignore, unless it's a buff. OH CRAP THE ENEMY UDYR STOLE MY WRAITHS! I guess i'll just do that camp last, and it'll be back. No XP loss. Close to no gold loss. No problem. With this patch, counter-jungle will just be even more useless.[/quote]

[quote=Wintermond][quote=Temzilla] [quote=Wintermond] Aww yeah, lets make this game casual. [/quote] Awww Yeah the game wasn't casual already. I'm fucking tired of everyone saying that counter jungling is a big deal. It's not. Counter jungling to a good jungler was never a huge, game breaking skillful thing, it was just something that happened. In fact, proper warding stops most counter jungling, and actually punishes it REALLY hard. You can't counter jungle in ultra high level games, so all it hurts are the people running bad jungling champs, who are actually hurt by ganking. [/quote] No. Lol. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.[/quote]

[quote=PotatisFarfar]Sivir rework. But she was Op already >;D. Jungle rework... Gonna hurt my shaco jungling a lot... My bread and butter there was to counter jungle... What a retarded choice from riot, in my opinion jungling should be something optinal, not mandetory... Shitty riot is shitty...[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=wRAthoFVuLK] OMG THIS IS LUGI'S PATCH HE CAN TRY JUNGLE WHATEVER NOW AND BE SUCCESSFUL OGOSH [/quote] Implying I didn't do this already.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=Wintermond] [quote=Temzilla] [quote=Wintermond] Aww yeah, lets make this game casual. [/quote] Awww Yeah the game wasn't casual already. I'm fucking tired of everyone saying that counter jungling is a big deal. It's not. Counter jungling to a good jungler was never a huge, game breaking skillful thing, it was just something that happened. In fact, proper warding stops most counter jungling, and actually punishes it REALLY hard. You can't counter jungle in ultra high level games, so all it hurts are the people running bad jungling champs, who are actually hurt by ganking. [/quote] No. Lol. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. [/quote] OKAY. Not my fault that people steal my wraiths, my blue, AND my Golems, and i still have a succesful game as a jungler because i can FUCKING ADAPT. And then, they get killed when they come into my jungle any time after the first clear because i have it warded properly. Counter Jungling is just another factor in a big formula that is jungling. If you don't know the proper response to counter jungling, then yeah, it's a big fucking deal.[/quote]

[quote=PotatisFarfar]But then it turns out that the counter jungler in question is shaco. That can avoid your wards completly. Ever considerd that the counter jungler in question that you won against was bad? Once he kill you and your camps. He have control over your jungle. To adapt to this, you either have to take his jungle, wich put you on a risk from the enemy laners. Or gank. How hard this is depends on the hero ofc.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=PotatisFarfar] But then it turns out that the counter jungler in question is shaco. That can avoid your wards completly. Ever considerd that the counter jungler in question that you won against was bad? Once he kill you and your camps. He have control over your jungle. To adapt to this, you either have to take his jungle, wich put you on a risk from the enemy laners. Or gank. How hard this is depends on the hero ofc. [/quote] In the current state of the game, i ban Shaco. He's too much trouble to adapt to currently. Extremely strong jungler, and usually, none of the people on my team can play him well enough to warrant first picking him. He's an outlier however.[/quote]

[quote=Wintermond]If you get counterjungled it will affect your jungling performance a lot; it is actually the greatest impact on your jungling performance. Of course you can try to make up for the loss of buffs, experience and gold with ganks but you will most likely never be in a situation where you can pull off successfull ganks 24/7.[/quote]

[quote=Whated#79092]Can anyone give me a beta key to Dota2? This game just got fucking retarded. Like, control junglers, nerf'd, ganker junglers, nerf'd, farmer junglers, ONLY VIABLE ANYMORE FUCKING BUFFED SO HARD THAT EVERY OTHER JUNGER IS NOW NERF'D. Just fucking god why? why? True meaning skill of jungling: farm all day with Irelia = get fed as fuck. Win the game. GG so good game needs fucking much skill OMFG SO GOOD! Watch, I mean listen this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9RiJCifgJQ&feature=feedu Yeah lowering the skill cap makes everyone who just started 2 weeks ago fucking happy...[/quote]