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Taric: Archangels or Manamune

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Then get both Philo and Catalyst. If you're running out of mana with those 2 you're spamming too much (fail). Just stop spamming spells and you'll be fine.

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Nashor is very lackluster..


I play Taric WAYYY support. In major fights/laning battles, I tend to HAVE to spam my mana off. To mantain my ult, to stun, to heal etc. The opponent team usually flame me for saving everyone possible :P However, in those nice quiet games, Manamune/AS will be useless seeing you have no need to spam, either to stun or to heal.
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Please understand that you're wrong. Train yourself at managing mana.
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Ok, we need a analysation of taric:


I think this is, why Manamune was suggested. But the ratio ist just very very bad...


0,9 AP ratio is good, also attack speed and cdr helps. This is why Nashor's Tooth was suggested. If you want to be a healing monster, get Nashor's Tooth


0,5 is a very high ap-ratio for an aoe spell, which also gives a debuff to enemies. But most time, you need the aura to live.


1,0 ap-ratio is very good, but it is also weak, because it only deals that dmg, if you are near the enemy. If you are far away, you deal no dmg. The only use of it is to stun.


This spell is, why some taric's get blue buff's, tear's and chalice. I think, it is a bit overrated. Turn it only on at the crucial point of the fight and turn it of before it makes too much of your mana disapper. This is called mana management. And because of the fact, that costs get higher, the mana items are not very usefull, too.


Well, if you want to go ap-taric, you should get Archangel's Staff and Nashor's Tooth and go top lane, because of your lane sustain through Imbue+ Gemcraft and gank power for jungler's through Dazzle. You can also farm well with Shatter. But you are more like Cho'Gath, so you should also get Rod of Ages. Never go AD Taric, that sucks completly. But mainly Taric should support. As support, he has no money to get Archangel's Staff and Nashor's Tooth. If you have mana problems, try Chalice of Harmony. As support, you also get everytime philosopher's stone and Heart of Gold. Catalyst the protector is already luxury.
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0,5 is a very high ap-ratio for an aoe spell, which also gives a debuff to enemies. But most time, you need the aura to live.

Nope.. It's a real ****ty ratio..
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Searz wrote:

Please understand that you're wrong. Train yourself at managing mana.


OK I just realised in a game as Taric that I seriously had bad mana management issues ._. but at least I don't require that much mana anymore :D
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Keep training.
It's a good skill to have :)
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manamune is a pretty mediocre item overall. So if you were building AP taric for some reason, you would go archangel's. But tanky support taric is the best option anyway.
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Nashor's Tooth, Manamune and build tanky.

Battle Taric.

Works surprisingly well. But not for the current meta. I'd recommend it if Support/AD lane goes out of meta.
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Generally, I play AP burst Taric, but even then I don't get an Archangels.

It's a good item, but really only works well on certain champions, because of it's reliance on low CD abilities to have full potential. Also, you're paying about 3k for 100-130 AP, where if you save up 600 more gold, you're getting about 200 AP with a Rabadon's. The fact that a lot of Archangel's price is put towards not having mana problems makes it a very unattractive choice, because there are other alternatives (chalice, blue buff, etc).

Manamune has similar problems, except for the fact that very few AD champions are going to be casting a lot of spells, and overall it's just not that good.

Save the Manamune for Urgot and Pantheon (I think new HSS would rock with Manamune), and save Archangel's for Karthus and Ryze.
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As long as you don't leave your ultimate running for the entirety of the game, you shouldn't need either. Just buy a philo stone early on, and a catalyst once you feel like you need more mana.
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