Trinity Force -> Zephyr at Irelia/Udyr?

[quote=NicknameMy]How you wanna carry a game while having absolutely no damage? You can't rely on your teammates to do so.[/quote]

[quote=sirell]You're a CC/Silence bot and you have a true damage nuke on your ultimate. That's more than enough when you add the decent base damage. Since when do you play full tanks for damage, anyway? You can go off tank, sure. Items like [[Abyssal scepter]] and [[rod of ages]] can go down really well. And the point of tanks are to be the damage sponge. You honestly let your teammates deal the damage. This is so basic, I'm having trouble comprehending that you even said what you just did.[/quote]

[quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0]AP Cho has been standard ever since all the Cho players fell down a hole and were never seen again. Like when did you last see a JungleGath or a TopGath? I like the idea behind this build at least because Giant rampaging beast that has to land a skillshot to do damage doesn't make any sense.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy][[Rod of ages]] just doesn't fit [[Cho'Gath]] at all. He already has a high HP pool so he is better at getting resistances. Never get a pure HP item on him. And he doesn't need that high amount of mana. Just a waste of an item.[/quote]

[quote=utopus]Same reason [[maokai]] gets [[rod of ages]]; AP and Health? If you spend all of your time in lane getting stacks off on your ult, you're sacrificing a lot of dueling presence; Getting a little bit of health makes dueling a little more comfortable for cho'gath, because he isn't really big until he's got 6 stacks[/quote]

[quote=TheKut][quote=NicknameMy][[Rod of ages]] just doesn't fit [[Cho'Gath]] at all.[/quote] Did he just...?[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]omg cho gets health by default so building moar health is baaaaad. That's like saying that you get one free slice of pizza a day, so buying a pizza to have additional pizza to eat is bad. And actually yea, he does need more mana. Even with Frozen Heart Cho can go oom easily in a team fight. Bitch practically needs food stamps for mana. You sound like one of those people that say not to ever buy [[frozen heart]] or [[randuin's Omen]] on [[Rammus]] cause it "lowers your DPS".[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy][quote][[Rod of Ages]] A lot of people understand by now that this isn't really a good item on Cho'Gath, but I will re-iterate for those unfamiliar. Cho'Gath can gain up to 900 bonus health from his ultimate, which means that in terms of effective health resistances are almost always better. The ability power is fine, but the mana is a wasted stat. You will build Frozen Heart or Iceborn Gauntlet for the CDR every game. Those items already give you overkill mana, so getting a RoA on top of that is a lot of wasted gold. This graph (not mine) illustrates the effectiveness of resistances. You will have about 3000 HP by default with just Feast stacks, and several items will bring you higher. [img]http://i39.tinypic.com/30nf5hl.png[img][/quote] [quote]Catalyst is a decent sustain item, but Cho'Gath already has solid sustain from his passive. One Doran's Ring can accomplish most of the same function for less gold. Ultimately, Rod of Ages is an "okay" item for laning, but in the late game and team fights every other item I've talked about above can give you more tankiness, utility, or damage. This item may have once been good on Cho'Gath (for lack of better alternatives? I didn't start playing until late Season 2), but it sure as hell isn't in today's game, and that misconception is in my mind one of the biggest reasons people don't realize the full potential of this champion.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=NicknameMy][quote][[Rod of Ages]] A lot of people understand by now that this isn't really a good item on Cho'Gath, but I will re-iterate for those unfamiliar. Cho'Gath can gain up to 900 bonus health from his ultimate, which means that in terms of effective health resistances are almost always better. The ability power is fine, but the mana is a wasted stat. You will build Frozen Heart or Iceborn Gauntlet for the CDR every game. Those items already give you overkill mana, so getting a RoA on top of that is a lot of wasted gold. This graph (not mine) illustrates the effectiveness of resistances. You will have about 3000 HP by default with just Feast stacks, and several items will bring you higher. [img]http://i39.tinypic.com/30nf5hl.png[img][/quote] [quote]Catalyst is a decent sustain item, but Cho'Gath already has solid sustain from his passive. One Doran's Ring can accomplish most of the same function for less gold. Ultimately, Rod of Ages is an "okay" item for laning, but in the late game and team fights every other item I've talked about above can give you more tankiness, utility, or damage. This item may have once been good on Cho'Gath (for lack of better alternatives? I didn't start playing until late Season 2), but it sure as hell isn't in today's game, and that misconception is in my mind one of the biggest reasons people don't realize the full potential of this champion.[/quote][/quote] [img=http://dimpost.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/power.png] [h1]OOOOH! NUMBERS![/h1][/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]I much prefer Grandmaster's graph. Also, where's that quote even from? I can make up quotes too if I want to.[/quote]