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Ryze Counters

Creator: Vitigam March 19, 2012 4:40am
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Yea, in that way both Ryze and Vayne are OP. Not a lot, but their lategame definitely needs some nerfing.
Like 0.5% off Ryze's Q and 2% off Vayne's W, BUT making the flat portion of W true damage.
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I think Ryze is OP but Vayne not so much. Vayne may be poorly designed, but she isn't broken, just derptastically volatile.
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I agree with Searz about Ryze but as Duff said, she's not broken. She just need a small change (Making her W magic damage instead of True damage and maybe increasing the % by 1.5%-2% to compensate).

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But yes this idea has been discussed more than Pam Anderson's tits in a plastic surgeons office.
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TBH, it's not her True damage lol. Never has been. If she 3 shots things, and the true damage only procs once or twice per target, clearly that isn't the source of the mega rapeage.

It's her MASSIVE AD steroid, good attack animation and her ability to drift in and out of fights with stealth/tumble and peel with condemn.
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DuffTime wrote:

It's her MASSIVE AD steroid, good attack animation and her ability to drift in and out of fights with stealth/tumble and peel with condemn.

Combined with the fact that she can **** tanks as easily as squishies because of her W.
But yea, her biggest problem isn't W. It's how well her kit fits together. Still, nerfing something would be good in my opinion, because she's just by far TOO strong in mid/lategame.
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This might sound cheesy, but until she's being picked in tourny again I think it's okay to let her alone.

Or a nerf to damage and a small buff to range or to something could be a good balance tweak, not really sure.
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Yes, the nerf should obviously be paired with a buff. Like buffing base damage and/or Q and nerfing passive and W. For example.
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Her ult is really where the damage problem lies I think. W feels pretty balanced IMHO.
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Yea, you're prolly right.
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I feel they should tweak Vayne a bit instead of completely nerfing her.

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