Ryze Counters

[quote=TheWeekndOVOXO]^ I think Swain is even match against Ryze. Come to think about it, once Ignite is down on Ryze, Swain's ult is just plain nasty, causing Ryze to drop his health way faster than Swain.[/quote]

[quote=CasterMaster][[ignite]] is good against [[ryze]]'s [[desperate power]] and [[swain]]'s [[ravenous flock]]. All comes down to skill there but [[swain]] will probably get some stronger harass early on.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]I just don't like Swain ever so my personal vote is against Swain xP[/quote]

[quote=CasterMaster]Haters be hating? D:[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]I just think his impact on a game is low when compared to more devastating single action champions like Cass or single target DPSers like Ryze. Swain just sorta DoTs the fuck out of one guy and walks around shootings birds and meh.[/quote]

[quote=CasterMaster]Ever seen [[nevermove]] nuke? 2stronk[/quote]

[quote=tweeboy2][quote=PsiGuard] Lol, wtf are you smoking? Ryze counters Veigar, not the other way around. He's pretty much the only caster that doesn't make himself vulnerable by stacking AP, so all you have to do is Veil/QSS his E, dodge his W and you can tear him apart with your DPS. [/quote] "Burst. Avoid it." Those three words do not come anywhere close to saying that Veigar counters Ryze. All that meant was that if Veigar gets his burst out it will do hella damage. Veigar will pop your Veil with Q/your QSS will be on CD before his E is up again. So WTF are YOU smoking? Don't assume I meant something I didn't. All that statement means is to avoid his burst. Never did I say anything about Veigar countering Ryze.[/quote]

[quote=CasterMaster]Hardly matters as with [[ryze]] not scaling AP, [[veigar]] won't really be able to burst him down except with [[dark matter]].[/quote]

[quote=tweeboy2]His burst is still something to be weary of. And how much AP do you expect most AP carries to have during laning phase? Maybe it's just me, but I don't normally see a Deathcap until after one of the turrets is down. By then I'm roaming, assisting my teammates, done laning. We're covering [[Ryze]]'s laning phase. The burst difference between [[Ryze]] and another AP carry would not be SEVERELY significant. After your QSS is on cd or your Veil is popped, you'll have damage reduction with higher MR and his ult won't hurt as much. Nonetheless, anyone laning against [[Veigar]] should be weary of his burst. That's all. I guess personally I've never been able to farm enough/get fed enough to remain in lane phase while possessing a Veil + Catalyst or more. I'm usually out of lane by then.[/quote]

[quote=Vitigam][quote=tweeboy2] [quote=PsiGuard] Lol, wtf are you smoking? Ryze counters Veigar, not the other way around. He's pretty much the only caster that doesn't make himself vulnerable by stacking AP, so all you have to do is Veil/QSS his E, dodge his W and you can tear him apart with your DPS. [/quote] "Burst. Avoid it." Those three words do not come anywhere close to saying that Veigar counters Ryze. All that meant was that if Veigar gets his burst out it will do hella damage. Veigar will pop your Veil with Q/your QSS will be on CD before his E is up again. So WTF are YOU smoking? Don't assume I meant something I didn't. All that statement means is to avoid his burst. Never did I say anything about Veigar countering Ryze. [/quote] Good Point, but the topic of this thread is "Ryze Counters", so anyone who read your quote after the title would assume that you are referring to [[veigar]] as a counter [[ryze]].[/quote]