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So...about the Ryze chages

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April 28, 2012 12:45pm
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What do you guys think? I understand that his tankiness to damage output ratio was imbalanced, but I feel like they nerfed the wrong things to fix it. They took out some of his mana to damage ratio which to me is the main thing that makes Ryze a fun, unique, and interesting to play. they've made him just another ap offtank to me. Don't get me wrong, he needed a little nerfing, but I'm not sure they way riot chose was best.

Anyone else have any thoughts?
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Luther3000 » April 28, 2012 12:48pm | Report
It was a buff imo. I was sure they'd remove it or change it for the live patch.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Darcurse » April 28, 2012 4:03pm | Report
Yep buff.

Hearing the Patch Preview, I lol'd.

"Ryze deals way too much dmg for being tanky"
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"So while TWEAKING his dmg (not nerfing) we hope that the better extra effect on his ulti lets players build him glass cannon, automatically getting rid of dmg+tank Ryze"
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Sooo... my question:
Seeing the buffs/nerfs on the mana ratio part, what keeps the players from Tear->Glacial->Banshee->Archangel's ?
Still the same ****load of dmg/tankiness but with a new and better utli effect...
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Luther3000 » April 28, 2012 4:19pm | Report
I think Rod of Ages is going to be a lot more viable on him now too.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Opaque_Shadow » April 28, 2012 9:18pm | Report
That's all true, I still wish Riot could balance him in a way that actually works AND doesn't nerf the main thing that makes Ryze awesome (mana scaling damage)
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by caucheka » April 29, 2012 12:05am | Report
hah, and people laughed at me for building 2 roas and making my support carry a wota.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Embracing » April 29, 2012 12:07am | Report
that wasn't optimal pre-patch
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by caucheka » April 29, 2012 12:20am | Report
why was it not optimal? outside of tears unique, roa has 725 mana and it gives the most mana out of any item.

it also gave 630 health. considering it gave more than half of its stat upfront, it was a good item.

my full build was

Sorcerer's Shoes
Tear of the Goddess
Rod of Ages
Banshee's Veil
Frozen Heart
Rod of Ages
Archangel's Staff

i might be out 225 mana from new ult, but i'll still have over 6k.
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1) Bad transitions during item purchases
2) No MPen
3) Support is forced to buy Wota - limited choices
4) Costs so ****ing much

these are the only reasons i can think of right now my heads kinda dead i'll get back to you / clarify / add on more points when my heads not dead *-*
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by caucheka » April 29, 2012 5:02am | Report
i don't understand what you mean by bad transitions.

29/10% isn't no mpen, but i don't see any good choices for mpen on ryze. theres hardly any ways to build mpen in the first place, im probably wrong but the only 4 items i can think of are Sorcerer's Shoes Haunting Guise Void Staff Abyssal Mask. i might switch banshees for abyssal after the rework and see if it works better.

a supports job is to, you know, support the team. ap usually works good on supports anyway, so a wota is a good choice, considering its the only real support for mages.

excluding shoes, 90% of ryzes build 4/5 of the same items i do. considering the 5th item is usually a wota, and the price of wota is going up a bunch, then i dont see price as an issue of my build. converting to archangels was always the last thing i did, but i might try upgrading to archangels before second roa once the patch hits.
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