A team comp idea.

[quote=DillButt64]i use hecarim a good amount and honestly it seems like you can only use this comp if everyones ult is up and once everyone uses their ult you lost the team fight....and i know hecarim deals CRAZY DoT if he just stays in the middle of everyone and spams Q and W but unless you build some sort of tankiness on him hes going to die almost immediately and since he is running in once he dies after being focused by 5 people since nunu is the tank and not initiating then the team only really needs to kill zilean and kog both of which are pretty squishie but if you only use this strategy youll probably win very few teamfights and probably the game D: no offense also regarding solo top hecarim...he is amazing ive gotten fed so many times as solo top hecarim or even duo top hecarim that lategame i was just unbeatable his spammable low cost Q that doesnt interrupt his auto attack PLUS the boots you get on him makes him do more DoT than anyone else at level 1 which is great if you have ghost(which gives him speed plus more damage) or even exhaust coupled with ignite, using just this almost always gets me first blood on level 1 in almost every game ive used hecarim even though his W has a healing cap on minions its still good sustain because you should have pots plus if the other champion happens to get caught in the circle you heal more because there is no healing cap on champions his E gives him a great escape if he gets ganked to the point where he doesnt need to use ghost or flash to get under his tower, specially if you have wards placed and know ahead of time yer gonna get ganked his ult is really the only thing with him that i have a problem with because its sort of hard to place since its a skill shot within a skill shot sorta because you have to aim it to hit everyone AND hit it just right to make sure you fear them into your teammates and either way that 1 second fear isnt going to get them to your team specially if you mess up the aim (even though most likely you can pick up the kill or at least keep them out of the fight with your combo) this ult is also AMAZING for ganks , again only if you hit it right, ive ganked mid many times and 8 times out of 10 secured the kill but it scales on AP so you arnt really going to be getting much damage out of this its more for the changing placement and fear to me but yes Hecarim is amazing early game and out damages almost every other solo top if you get boots which is pretty much standard so you guys should try it some day its also really fun to just charge in and attack everyone and go massive damage even if you die[/quote]

[quote=RaNuD]I'll eventually be able to play Ali Naut Nunu Malph Zil. Zil prefered.[/quote]

[quote=YayaFTW][quote=Acid Reigns] Ok, so, just about any LoL player can say that Zilean has one of the most game changing ults in the game, and he is a great pick for 'Protect the Kog' comps, but his other skills don't really help. o: Anyway, recently I've discovered that solo top Hecarim is EXTREMELY strong in low elo. Also, I was thinking and I realized he could work in a protect the kog team, and he benefits a lot from Zilean's W AND Zilean could safely put bombs on him, due to the fact that Hecarim can get to his target almost no matter what. So I want to propose a team comp, that would go something along the lines of: Top: [[Hecarim]] Mid: [[Zilean]] ADC: [[Kog'Maw]] These three are for sure, the other two, I have an idea of what I want, but am not 100% I was thinking Support: [[Lulu]] or [[Nunu]] Jungle: [[Nautilus]] [[Alistar]] [[Malphite]] or [[Maokai]] is generally what I was thinking OR [[Nunu]] if he didn't go support. Anyone have any thoughts about this? Also, would anyone be willing to try it with me? [/quote] In low elo this would be a good team. In high elo it has less chance of winning than an AP [[Garen]] mid running [[clarity]] facing a 20/0/50 fed [[Teemo]]. [[Zilean]] mid in high elo is what's giving away the game, along with [[Hecarim]] being top. I mean [[Hecarim]] is only good for heavy surprise initiations. That's why he belongs in the jungle. If he builds tanky he does mediocre damage and gets ignored since he has no CC after his ult. If he builds offtank he might dish some damage after his ult but again that's nothing compared to a Tier 1 Solo top bruises such as [[Jax]]'s or [[Riven]]'s damage output. And [[Zilean]] is pretty much harmless late game when the MR and HP is up. Without mentioning the fact that any skilled AP Carry will faceroll him with [[Abyssal Scepter]] after 12 mins of the game, and we're talking high elo here. The rest seems fine to me. [[Kog'maw]] can work with both [[Lulu]] and [[nunu]], and I suggest [[Malphite]] for a jungler, [[Orianna]] for mid lane and [[Cho'gath]] built as an AP Bruiser and actually [[Lulu]] for the support, so you can do the following: First [[Orianna]] casts the ball on [[malphite]]. [[Malphite]] ults in the middle of the enemy team with [[Orianna]]'s ball. When all enemies are in mid-air from [[malphite]]'s ult, [[Orianna]] ults and knocks up to center everyone, unleashes her combo then she back off focus. Then [[Lulu]] ults on [[malphite]] to knock em up again and give more tankiness to [[Malphite]]. Now [[Cho'gath]] flashes in, he knocks-up AGAIN all the enemy team since they'll be close to each other from [[Orianna]]'s ult, he silences all then eats the AD/AP Carry and stays with [[malphite]] to absorb the damage and keep bruising people. And you give an easy clean ace to [[Kog'maw]] who'll go berserk on them. If the 4 Knock-ups are chained and not stacked, the enemy team won't even find the time to flash or cast a spell especially after [[Cho'gath]]'s silence. And it's GG. TL;DR? Here's a part of the wombo combo i'm talking about in video. Look how devastating it is: [embed=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHd82gS6-u4] PS: [[Sona]] can go instead of [[Lulu]] for easier laning phase and great ultimate in teamfights.[/quote]

[quote=Acid Reigns]I know, people already do that. I want to protect Kog with Zilean, and use Hecarim in order to make Zilean fully useful. Zilean used to be considered the strongest champ IN THE GAME by some, now he is overlooked because he falls off lategame, because all he has is double bomb and his ult. However, a huge steroid is a pretty big bonus to a kit. Also, Hecarim isn't only good at suprise initiates, he's only good at suprise initiates early game. Late game he excels at many, many things. Anyway, no matter what anyone says, I still wanna try this :P So far Hecarim: Me Jungle: TehAsian Zilean: RaNuD We still need good kog, and lulu players :p[/quote]

[quote=Vavena]Low dmg[/quote]

[quote=Acid Reigns]>Blood boiled Kog'Maw and 1200+ MS Hecarim...[/quote]