Riven Theorycrafting

[quote=Lugignaf]Holy argument Batman. People are suggesting something along the lines of this as a final item build: [[Hexdrinker]], Sandals of situation,[[The Black Cleaver]]/[[Infinity edge]]. maybe [[Phantom dancer]] and some tenacity item if they're getting buffed this patch. [[Cloak and dagger]] in this case. Situational item of course and [[Youmuu's Ghostblade]] is in there somewhere. I'm not entirely sure but, all that AoE means she's going to need some serious mobility. At the debate, I really don't think [[Sheen]] is going to be a big ticket item on her because, like Jun said, she has terrible base AD and she's not going to be able to attack in between the Q procs if it's based on Marth's smash+B.[/quote]

[quote=theBMB]Riven sounds like she's going to be a duelist among the likes of [[tryndamere]] and [[master yi]] although she'll be much more ability focused. Therefore she should probably be built like them as well. [[Trinity Force]] doesn't do much for these duelists and neither does [[sheen]]. While I'm not sure about the exact numbers, I don't think Riven will benefit much from sheen. We don't even know if she actually uses mana yet.[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport]@Xenasis: [quote]Just because she has no AP ratios, no mana, and only 10% less than average AD, it could still be an extremely potent item.[/quote] I'm pretty sure this is a contradictory statement... Your ONLY argument for Sheen is that it's really good on everyone else? I'm sorry but, Sheen will [u]not[/u] be potent at all on Riven. Mana = Useless Ap = Useless Proc = below average Every way you look at it, it's an inferior item. There is no redeeming quality to it because Riven was designed around "Sheen being a bad choice". There are BETTER choices no matter how you try to theorycraft towards it. She had FIVE bonus-ad ratios, so a [[Pickaxe]] will actually boost her damage output more then a Sheen will because of her ratios. It'll even boost her survivability because Valor (her shield E spell) scales off AD. [h1](@everyone: ...a shield that scales off AD, isn't that peachy?)[/h1] [color=lime]Oh, and since you asked where I got these numbers from:[/color] Xypherous, the Riot designer who CREATED Riven, is the one whose been saying all this. He's been answering a VAST amount of questions regarding her on the official LoL Forums. Specific things he made very clear: -Riven's inspired by arcade style fighters -Riven's lore originally had her as a Demacian who got exiled for saving Noxian refugees. (Riot decided they had enough cool demacians) -Low base AD -All bonus-ad ratios -All dashes are short (3 Qs + E = about 1000 distance) -She is similar to Ezreal in lore only to an extent; they both wander forsaken lands far from civilization, the difference being Ezreal does it by choice. -She has no sustain -Her kit was made with the intention of making people NOT BUY SHEEN. -Her kit was made to say: BUY AD! -She was best used in jungle fights and small skirmishes. not particularly 1v1, or 5v5, but 2v2 and 3v3 fights. -Xypherous is sad because he always wishes he had more time to tweak a champion design @Lugignaf: There's a small window between Q attacks, so you will have the time to auto-attack, but that's why she was given her passive. Runic Blade (her passive) stacks up to 3 times, according to Xypherous posts, so you can spam Q and attack multiple times. It gives Riven a way of fighting where she chains her skills a few times in a row then auto-attacks a few times during the cooldowns, then repeats the cycle over again or runs away. She doesn't have to pause in between spell-casts like how Sheen-users do.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]Do you still think that [[Phantom Dancer]] would be good because, even though she has 4 dashes, they're short distance and the attack speed works with her passive as she only expends one charge at a time? Large question is large.[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport]Hard to say, Xypherous didn't mention her base attack speed at all. The movement speed isssss very nice though. P: [[The Black Cleaver]] and the [[Youmuu's Ghostblade]] active may be enough for attack speed. Have to wait for the spotlight to see. ^_^[/quote]

[quote=Skrallz]Oh, btw BMB, Trinity Force is God-Mode for yi ;x and I think Brutalizer/Youmuu is core(CDR+ARP)[/quote]

[quote=Skrallz]Perfect Build for me Rush Brut+Boots->HxD->BT->Youumu->TBC->Tanky Item Or glass cannon[/quote]

[quote=SinDelta]I'll be doing a core of this x2[icon=Doran's Blade size=25]Doran's Blade [icon=Berserker's Greaves size=25]Berserker's Greaves [icon=the Brutalizer size=25]The Brutalizer [icon=Infinity Edge size=25]Infinity Edge Full Item build in no real specific order something like this [icon=Youmuu's Ghostblade size=25]Youmuu's Ghostblade [icon=Berserker's Greaves size=25]Berserker's Greaves [icon=Infinity Edge size=25] [icon=Hexdrinker size=25]Hexdrinker or [icon=Banshee's Veil size=25]Banshee's Veil depending on how much AP other team has [icon=Last Whisper size=25]Last Whisper [icon=The Bloodthirster size=25]The Bloodthirster It's more of a full carry build with a little survivability. Might even get a wriggles in place for another item just for some mediocre armor.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]@SinDelta Too much offense for your standard champion, but with that shield it might work. I'll have to see it in game to be sure. Melee champions usually need 2-3 defensive items to be able to do their job.[/quote]

[quote=theBMB]I would pass on the bloodthirster and go for a cleaver[/quote]